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1. 08:51 AM - To drag the tail or not. (Ivor Link)
2. 11:35 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (MikeinPE)
3. 11:38 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (LarryMcFarland)
4. 11:40 AM - Working table height (pavel569)
5. 12:05 PM - Re: Working table height (GLJSOJ1)
6. 12:12 PM - Re: Working table height (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 12:27 PM - Re: Working table height (jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 02:23 PM - Re: Working table height (Gig Giacona)
9. 03:06 PM - Re: Filling the rivet centre (eddies)
10. 04:28 PM - Re: Working table height (Bill Naumuk)
11. 05:42 PM - Re: Working table height (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | To drag the tail or not. |
Subject: To drag the tail or not.
I'm in the early stages of scratch building an 601 XL - The intent is to
visit bush areas to hike around the country ( I chose the 601 over the
701 merely from the point of view that the cruise speed provides a
better weekend range radius). The question begs to be answered should I
build it with the training wheel on the tail? I learnt to fly on
military taildraggers so am not intimidated - but seeing as the plane
looks just as sexy with a nose wheel, I was wondering whether there are
any stories of strength concerns with the nosewheel set up in rough
airfield conditions?
Ivor Link
South Africa
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
Nice to see a fellow South African on board. I ordered plans for the 650 3 weeks
ago. Will also scratch build. Whereabouts are you from? I do think that the
601 looks good either way. I will build nose wheel as I will still have to find
time to get my pilots licence somewhere between now & by the time that the 650
is finished. I have picked up from others that this is the easier way to fly.
Enjoy building!!!!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
Hi Ivor,
I've a great appreciation for the tail dragger as I started with PA-12
and then a Luscombe 8A. The nose gear offers a better steering option in
rough conditions
than the tail dragger. I know what it's like to have to gun it to break
the tail loose from a bundle of grass or gravel. The positive steering
of the nose gear is much
like the little red wagon for positive direction. You can't pivot about
one gear like the brake assist tail dragger, but you can plan better for
maneuvering and you don't
have the shock of the tailwheel hammering back thru the fuselage. When
you're parked and tied down, the aircraft is better aligned with the
breezes too, so for my
money, the best dollar is spent on having the extra wheel up front. I
always land on the mains, slow a lot and then let down carefully on the
nose gear, so it shouldn't
be a problem. Having the rudder and the nose wheel tied together is
sweet, but I don't use the rudder in normal flight. That might be
different in the XL.
Best regards,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Ivor Link wrote:
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> *Subject:* To drag the tail or not.
> I'm in the early stages of scratch building an 601 XL - The intent is
> to visit bush areas to hike around the country ( I chose the 601 over
> the 701 merely from the point of view that the cruise speed provides a
> better weekend range radius). The question begs to be answered should
> I build it with the training wheel on the tail? I learnt to fly on
> military taildraggers so am not intimidated - but seeing as the plane
> looks just as sexy with a nose wheel, I was wondering whether there
> are any stories of strength concerns with the nosewheel set up in
> rough airfield conditions?
> Ivor Link
> South Africa
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| Subject: | Working table height |
I'm about to start working on the fuselage, just moved to my new garden shed. I'd
like to know what is, by your experience, the best height of my worktable.
I'm just 5'7" and my current table seems to be very high for future work on fuselage
sides. It was OK for the wings, but it seems I'd have to have a stepladder
to work on the fuse top and sides. Any advice will be appreciated.
Thanks
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: Working table height |
I used the same tables for wings and fuselage. It worked fine. When it would
have gotten too high was when I was ready to put it down on the three saw horses
to attach the forward fuselage, so I'd just use what you have.
When I moved it to saw horses, I made mine adjustable on each end so that I could
level them 100%. If you want photos of how I built my adjustable stands email
me off list.
gljno10@hotmail.com
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: Working table height |
Hi Pavel,
I don't think it matters much how high your work table
is. Eventually you will need some help reaching the fuselage parts
no matter what the table height.
I have two folding metal step stools. One has one step, and the
other has two steps. They cost around $10 at Home Depot or similar places.
The step stools get nearly continuous use now that my plane is on its
wheels. They were also useful when working on the table.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 11:39 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
>I'm about to start working on the fuselage, just moved to my new
>garden shed. I'd like to know what is, by your experience, the best
>height of my worktable. I'm just 5'7" and my current table seems to
>be very high for future work on fuselage sides. It was OK for the
>wings, but it seems I'd have to have a stepladder to work on the
>fuse top and sides. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>--------
>Pavel
>CA
>Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
>Stratus Subaru EA-81
>Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: Working table height |
Pavel,
I'm a six footer, but I didn't have any trouble starting and working the fuselage
on the same table I built the wings on.? When the time comes to take the fuselage
off the table, you can lower it quite a bit to make things easier to get
to.? I've attached a couple of photos showing what my fuselage looked like when
it came off the table.? You can see, there is not a lot of "high up" stuff
on it at this point. Most everything up to this point has been built at table
top level, right on the table top.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: pavel569 <pm569@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 1:39 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: Working table height
I'm about to start working on the fuselage, just moved to my new garden shed.
I'd like to know what is, by your experience, the best height of my worktable.
I'm just 5'7" and my current table seems to be very high for future work on
fuselage sides. It was OK for the wings, but it seems I'd have to have a
stepladder to work on the fuse top and sides. Any advice will be appreciated.
Thanks
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: Working table height |
I moved to the hanger at about the point that Jay's photos show above. and like
Jay I came off the table at that point.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
If the look of the domed rivets bothers you, then you can always dimple the understructure
and skins, then use a standard nose piece on your riveter to produce
a flush finish, of course you still have a hole, but the appearance is quite
nice.
Eddie
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| Subject: | Re: Working table height |
Pavel-
I spent a weekend and $50 (Recycled discarded wood) to build Larry Mac's
fuse fixture. I've never, ever, ever regretted the decision. Other builders
have said, "I can't wait to get on the gear, but what do you care, you've
been on wheels since day one!"
In the pictures, I moved my project from side to nearly head on in 2
seconds using the force my 3 year old grandson can exert. Can't let him do
it- he'd put it through the wall!! Don't have enough room in the shop to go
totally head on.
Better pictures that will give you an idea of how to assemble it are
available on Larry's site. There are no plans, but that isn't really a
problem. I'm sure both Larry and I will help all we can.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "pavel569" <pm569@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Working table height
>
> I'm about to start working on the fuselage, just moved to my new garden
> shed. I'd like to know what is, by your experience, the best height of my
> worktable. I'm just 5'7" and my current table seems to be very high for
> future work on fuselage sides. It was OK for the wings, but it seems I'd
> have to have a stepladder to work on the fuse top and sides. Any advice
> will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
> Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
> Stratus Subaru EA-81
> Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table ....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216552#216552
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Working table height |
Hello Pavel.
-
What worked for me is to start the fuselage over the same table as the one
for the wings.
Later, when the fuelage has the sides and the proper angle is set on the re
ar and front fuselage.- We put it in a couple of 2 by 4- and set them o
ver-four -20 liter (5 galon) paint buckets, this leaves space to work a
lso though the bottom rear- window, using a mechanic wheeled bed. This wa
y we were able to-reach the cabin floor, seat area, and baggage compartme
nt...
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Once the landing gear is in place we needed a couple of -one and- two s
tep kitchen ladders.
-
Hope this helps
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Working table height
Hi Pavel,
I don't think it matters much how high your work table is. Eventually you
will need some help reaching the fuselage parts no matter what the table he
ight.
I have two folding metal step stools. One has one step, and the other has
two
steps. They cost around $10 at Home Depot or similar places.
The step stools get nearly continuous use now that my plane is on its wheel
s.
They were also useful when working on the table.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 11:39 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
> I'm about to start working on the fuselage, just moved to my new
garden shed. I'd like to know what is, by your experience, the best height
of my worktable. I'm just 5'7" and my current table seems to be
very high for future work on fuselage sides. It was OK for the wings, but i
t
seems I'd have to have a stepladder to work on the fuse top and sides. Any
advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
> Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
> Stratus Subaru EA-81
> Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table ....
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