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0. 12:25 AM - What Listers Have Been Saying (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:20 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (Dave Austin)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (Terry Phillips)
3. 07:32 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (T. Graziano)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (Dave Austin)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (Sabrina)
6. 11:01 AM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (A.F.RUPP@att.net)
7. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: To drag the tail or not. (Jim Belcher)
8. 01:32 PM - Re: To drag the tail or not. (A.F.RUPP@att.net)
9. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Filling the rivet centre (David Downey)
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| Subject: | What Listers Have Been Saying |
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
Ivor,
If you go with the trike approach, and considering your description of
rough field you plan to visit, I would recommend beefing up the upper
nosegear bearing support area. I'd make it of heavier guage, with
significantly more stiffening to prevent the buckling that has happened
to a number of us.
Tailwinds.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
Dave
Do you have any descriptions and/or photos or links to such of the beefing
up that you mention? I'm committed to the trike, but I would like to access
some of the back country strips in western MT.
Terry
At 09:19 AM 11/29/2008 -0500, Dave Austin wrote:
>Ivor,
>If you go with the trike approach, and considering your description of
>rough field you plan to visit, I would recommend beefing up the upper
>nosegear bearing support area. I'd make it of heavier guage, with
>significantly more stiffening to prevent the buckling that has happened to
>a number of us.
>Tailwinds.
>Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
I do believe the updated current dwgs for the 601XL show "beef ups" to
the upper bearing support firewall top stiffener, 6B7-1. (I found the
flange cracked, probably from the beating it received from the pounding
of the 6G2-3 nose strut stop plate, at about 300 landings) I also
believe the nose gear firewall support channel 6B8-7 support structure
has been beefed up at the upper and lower bearing support areas I have
subsequently beefed up these areas.. (The dwg package I built from was
dated 06/03).
As to nose or tail dragger - I went to 600x6 main and nose
wheels/tires/brakes with an 801 nose fork. When I ordered my kit, I
asked Zenith to supply the bigger wheels etc so I would have a larger
rough field footprint. My farm field is pretty rough.
I probably lose a few knots in cruise, but only a few at the airspeeds
that the XL flies (but I did take it to 195 mph IAS in Phase one)
The major downside is a weight gain of probably 8 - 12 lbs.
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab; N493TG; 448 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Phillips
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: To drag the tail or not.
Dave
Do you have any descriptions and/or photos or links to such of the
beefing up that you mention? I'm committed to the trike, but I would
like to access some of the back country strips in western MT.
Terry
At 09:19 AM 11/29/2008 -0500, Dave Austin wrote:
Ivor,
If you go with the trike approach, and considering your description
of rough field you plan to visit, I would recommend beefing up the upper
nosegear bearing support area. I'd make it of heavier guage, with
significantly more stiffening to prevent the buckling that has happened
to a number of us.
Tailwinds.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, &
ailerons are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
Terry,
Mine was a 1993 edition and the upper bearing "Z" piece buckled along
its length - no pics.
I straightened it out and added an "L" piece at each end on the
diagonal. That helped, but did not really solve the problem.
I think the firewall must be distorting to a degree, which causes the
twist. I'd put a 40 thou "L" across against the firewall underneath the
"Z" a 25 thou "L" along the front of the "Z" piece, taking it round the
corner to stiffen the diagonal shape.
If I recall the "Z" piece is only 25 thou. I'd go 40 thou.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
see attached...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216870#216870
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/6oz_of_beef_183.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
On Saturday 29 November 2008 10:14, Sabrina wrote:
>
> see attached...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216870#216870
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6oz_of_beef_183.jpg
>
I'm not sure where the problem lies, but attempting to access the attachment
resulted in an error. At first I thought it was the double slash "//" after
the .com, but i tried making it a single slash, and still got an error.
=============================================
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
================================================
Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: To drag the tail or not. |
Terry,
On the XL updates 3rd edition 2nd revision Aug 25, 05 drawings or later the nose
gear and firewall is beefed up. Zenith did this in case the aircraft is used
for instruction.
Al Rupp
601XL Corvair
Dave
Do you have any descriptions and/or photos or links to such of the beefing up that
you mention? I'm committed to the trike, but I would like to access some of
the back country strips in western MT.
Terry
At 09:19 AM 11/29/2008 -0500, Dave Austin wrote:
Ivor,
If you go with the trike approach, and considering your description of rough field
you plan to visit, I would recommend beefing up the upper nosegear bearing
support area. I'd make it of heavier guage, with significantly more stiffening
to prevent the buckling that has happened to a number of us.
Tailwinds.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
...and the rivet is the original engineered piece it was developed to be wi
th no variation due to varying degrees of shank to head work hardening...
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, eddies <eddie.seve@clarity.com> wrote:
From: eddies <eddie.seve@clarity.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Filling the rivet centre
<eddie.seve@clarity.com>
If the look of the domed rivets bothers you, then you can always dimple the
understructure and skins, then use a standard nose piece on your riveter to
produce a flush finish, of course you still have a hole, but the appearance
is
quite nice.
Eddie
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