---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/10/08: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:56 PM - Re: Riveting rudder hinge (n85ae) 2. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Riveting rudder hinge (JohnDRead@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Riveting rudder hinge From: "n85ae" You could use CherryMax expensive, but strong If you use solids you only need access when you put them in, but then you can close the rudder skin. Bolts, you will need permanent access. Unless you put in nutplates. I bought a rivet gun to shoot solids, and the better I get with it, more I find I use it. I made a test fixture with a hydraulic jack, and A5's really tear apart easily, always before the surrounding material. Solids generally tear out a hunk of material. I have never failed a solid, always the material the rivet is in fails first (that is with 6061 sheet) A5's are strong initially in sheer because of the steel core, but as soon as the structure deforms, the heads pop right off. Not very impressive in my opinion. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218736#218736 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:03 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Riveting rudder hinge Good question, I think they would be OK. I would call ZAC before using SS though. do not archive John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 12/9/2008 2:51:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ter_turn@yahoo.com writes: How about SS rivets? Do not archive JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: If you are worried about strength why not use A6 rivets. If you use either bolts or solids you will need access to the inside of the rudder. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 12/9/2008 9:28:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, n85ae@yahoo.com writes: If you use bolts you will need to have access plates installed. A better way if you're worried about the rivets is to use Solids. They are MUCH stronger than A5's Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218486#218486 _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List_ **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.