---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/15/08: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:05 AM - aero-BMW info (hermanmullis@aol.com) 2. 11:08 AM - Re: Thrust Line and engine choice (Brady) 3. 11:56 AM - Re: Thrust Line and engine choice (MikeinPE) 4. 01:04 PM - Re: Thrust Line and engine choice (Brady) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: aero-BMW info From: hermanmullis@aol.com Dale- There are no easy sources for the BMW conversion! i started with by looking at the old Zenith files. Then googled BMW aircraft and found lots of homebuilders in Europe with thes e engines. One of them led me to: www.takeoff-ul.de Which has an English translation but poorly done. =C2-They specialise in p ushers and are expensive! Here is another German source: http://www.silent-hektik.de/ They specialize in fuel injection and are also expensive! Finally, i spoke to sales at Woodcomp propellers in CZ, who told me about Bo ris Lange of Kostonice. Boris has a flight school in the Cz Rep which started with a crashed 601, wh ich he repaired. It's still flying and now has over +3000 hours with the Bmer engine (also a crash).=C2- i flew it also, over a year ago on a cold November day. It took 5 minutes of taxiing to get the oil temp up to normal! =C2- He now has 3 aircraft, all with Bmers, all with >1000 hours on the engines. Boris told me that his business depends on the BMW engines because his stude nts can't afford the fuel on the Rotax!! One of his students is now flying as a passenger pilot in Arizona! However, Boris speaks only Czech and Russian, so i had to get a German-Czech Translator. He built my gearbox. =C2-He has also built 20 more gearboxes for friends a nd clients. =C2-Including me. Up he recommends the R1150 R Bmer engine and you must send him the Brain box as well. Getting a good engine is the first problem, with all t he electrical! =C2-But no tranny or flywheel. Mine cost me 1000 u$d. =C2-It's a 2001 R1100 S. The 1200 series engines have more power but a new and more complicated Brain box and cannot be reprogrammed for flight! You must get a new one from SH above, since BMW will charge you an arm and a leg and is useless for flight! Boris does not make gearboxes for the 1200 because of this! =C2-He uses al l original BMW parts. Right off the bike! If you have access to metal shop you could probably make your own gearbox us ing a Rotax gearbox and a clutch! Another guy who is flying a Cherry, used a Hirth gearbox and a clutch from T ake-Off. The BMW engine is the only fuel injected, air cooled engine that you can lit erally, take off the bike and bolt on and fly without mods! Right now, i am cutting down the profile and moving the alternator in order to make it fit under the cowl,=C2- but Boris just cut the top of the cowl for his first conversion. =C2-Ugly, but cheap! The whole thing weighs about 80kg and produces >90 hp. So far, it's cost me ~5000 u$d for the engine, gearbox and prop. HKM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Thrust Line and engine choice From: "Brady" Justin, Look into the Corvair. You can build a Corvair for about the same price as the VW. More power not much more weight and there are dozens of flying examples. The Corvair is much smoother than the VW as well. Weight is less of an issue with the 601 than it would be for the 701. It's worth a look. If you have any trouble finding an engine let me know I have 30 of them. Parts are easy to find as well as reasonably priced. Just a thought. -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219478#219478 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:05 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Thrust Line and engine choice From: "MikeinPE" Hi Brady Here in South Africa it is a problem finding Corvairs. I will be interested in 1 of the 30 that you have sometime in 2009. Please let me know what I'm going to be in for costwise Regards Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219486#219486 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Thrust Line and engine choice From: "Brady" Mike, I have a customer in Johannesburg. (He bought one of my Prop hubs.) He and his friend Norman were talking about getting some Corvair Kits together. This would be a kit that comprised of all the Parts necessary to assemble the running engine. All the parts that require rebuilding or machining would already be done. I imagine it would cost about 6 to $8,000 (US) depending on options and upgrades. Shipping would be by container ship; so ordering ahead of time is a good idea. If you are interested you can contact me directly. It doesn't seem to be cost effective to send you a core engine because the shipping would be the same for a complete kit. Then you have to have all the parts shipped from their respective suppliers individually and the shipping cost alone would be prohibitive. -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219498#219498 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.