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1. 06:55 AM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (ashontz)
2. 06:59 AM - Bubble Canopy full assembly weight... (ashontz)
3. 08:36 AM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Sabrina)
4. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (David Downey)
5. 11:31 AM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Sabrina)
6. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (John Davis)
8. 02:02 PM - Re: Bubble Canopy full assembly weight... (GLJSOJ1)
9. 02:08 PM - Re: Bubble Canopy full assembly weight... (ashontz)
10. 04:11 PM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (vvkidd@mindspring.com)
11. 04:36 PM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Sabrina)
12. 04:58 PM - Re: Attention Corvair Builders (FlyingMonkey)
13. 05:11 PM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Tim Juhl)
14. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (David Downey)
15. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Ronald Steele)
16. 06:37 PM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Sabrina)
17. 06:40 PM - Supplemental aileron gussets (Jon Croke)
18. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Ronald Steele)
19. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (David Downey)
20. 08:24 PM - Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Sabrina)
21. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Ronald Steele)
22. 10:31 PM - Re: Supplemental aileron gussets (Terry Turnquist)
23. 10:37 PM - Re: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip (Terry Turnquist)
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Without looking at my plans, doesn't the wing call for A5 rivets anyway?
n85ae wrote:
> Well, my test was VERY unscientific, however ...
>
> You are right, it was essentially in tension. But, the heads tear off so
> easily, I was very unhappy. I repeated my simple test with A5's, and the
> ball end pulls through, but the heads do not pop off. This to my mind
> is ok. The rivets themself don't just break in half.
>
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeyoung65(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Jeff, when you tugged on the strip, what angle were your tug with the clamped
piece? Or, was the rivet in shear or tension. Would expect the rivet heads
to pop off if your tug was 90 degrees to the clamped part but if it was 180
degrees then there is a problem. Jerry of Ga DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
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| Subject: | Bubble Canopy full assembly weight... |
Anyone ever weigh the full canopy? Bubble, hinges, pressure shocks, latches, trim,
etc....
Just curious how much the entire thing weighs.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
"Without looking at my plans, doesn't the wing call for A5 rivets anyway?" Ashontz...
A4 for the aft portion of the aileron piano hinge....
A4 are rated at 165/230 pounds,
A5 are rated at 255/375 pounds,
AS5 are rated at 750/1000 pounds. Correct?
When the force is upward tension at one end, as opposed to shear across all the
rivets in a row, does the full row of rivets give much support to the end rivet
being tensioned, or once a tension of 1X to 2X of an A4 is reached and maintained,
the connection will unzip? (Versus a shearing force across a row where
each rivet adds strength to the connection and the force would have to be many
times the shear limit of any one rivet for the connection to fail.)
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
unzip - a classic failure mode once the initial fastener fails and the stru
cture goes into buckling.
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
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From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
<chicago2paris@msn.com>
"Without looking at my plans, doesn't the wing call for A5 rivets
anyway?" Ashontz...
A4 for the aft portion of the aileron piano hinge....
A4 are rated at 165/230 pounds,
A5 are rated at 255/375 pounds,
AS5 are rated at 750/1000 pounds. Correct?
When the force is upward tension at one end, as opposed to shear across all
the
rivets in a row, does the full row of rivets give much support to the end r
ivet
being tensioned, or once a tension of 1X to 2X of an A4 is reached and
maintained, the connection will unzip? (Versus a shearing force across a r
ow
where each rivet adds strength to the connection and the force would have t
o be
many times the shear limit of any one rivet for the connection to fail.)
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
My test pilot noticed flexing at the inboard portion of the ailerons where Alex's
kink is. We did not know of Alex's kink at the time and did not think too
much of it. This was on the maiden flight, 11 months and 1 day ago. However,
once this video was reviewed by my IA before the next test flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ZcZPP18uk
My IA noted the movement as well, and also noted the stress created at the point
the rear spar connects the inboard-forward corner of the aileron.
Zenith indicated we were the first to raise the issue. Zenith was informed that
I had designed gussets and that they were or were about to be installed. Zenith
proceeded to link to my videos from their web page. No mention was made of
the internal 650 gussets to me at AirVenture and the exact issue was not raised
again until a former European Zenith distributor raised a similar issue (which
I can't talk about) recently in an e-mail, a person privy to the letter recently
sent to CH by the European authorities. I have not seen the letter (some
have asked off line.)
The flexing, which was most pronounced on the down aileron, has not re-occured
since installing the four gussets.
Any opinions about the Hoerner wing tip sending air down or into the channel created by the aileron/spar gap, any opinions on whether the unsealed aileron hinge would amplify this effect, if any? http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-design.html
The Germans did not impose a 111 MPH Vne for no reason at all, the left lane of
the Autobahn would be quicker...
Does anyone remember if the Factory Demonstrator has PH ailerons or not?
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
No sure about other 601 plans but the 601HD 6-V-10 drawing dated 06-04 has
"AN Rivet pitch 40" in the view for the Piano Hinged Aileron Option and for
the hingless aileron "A4 rivets pitch 40 last I/B - O/B rivet use A5". It
does not say what size AN rivets to use on the hinged system. Jerry of Ga
In a message dated 12/16/2008 11:37:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
chicago2paris@msn.com writes:
--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
"Without looking at my plans, doesn't the wing call for A5 rivets anyway?"
Ashontz...
A4 for the aft portion of the aileron piano hinge....
A4 are rated at 165/230 pounds,
A5 are rated at 255/375 pounds,
AS5 are rated at 750/1000 pounds. Correct?
When the force is upward tension at one end, as opposed to shear across all
the rivets in a row, does the full row of rivets give much support to the end
rivet being tensioned, or once a tension of 1X to 2X of an A4 is reached and
maintained, the connection will unzip? (Versus a shearing force across a
row where each rivet adds strength to the connection and the force would have
to be many times the shear limit of any one rivet for the connection to fail.)
.
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Hi Sabrina,
I just flew N130AW an AMD 601XL at The Flight school of Gwinnet (LZU)
and it had the same kink in the ailerons. According to the mechanic they
had showed photo's of the issue to the factory and they said it was
nothing to worry about. That plane has a bit less than 200 hrs and has
been in service for less than 2 yrs.
So it seems like it may not be such an uncommon situation as Zenith led
you to believe.
Can you post a picture or drawing of the gussets you installed ?
John Davis
N601JD
601XL - Jab 3300
Finally ready for first flight
Sabrina wrote:
>
> My test pilot noticed flexing at the inboard portion of the ailerons where Alex's
kink is. We did not know of Alex's kink at the time and did not think too
much of it. This was on the maiden flight, 11 months and 1 day ago. However,
once this video was reviewed by my IA before the next test flight:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ZcZPP18uk
>
> My IA noted the movement as well, and also noted the stress created at the point
the rear spar connects the inboard-forward corner of the aileron.
>
> Zenith indicated we were the first to raise the issue. Zenith was informed that
I had designed gussets and that they were or were about to be installed. Zenith
proceeded to link to my videos from their web page. No mention was made
of the internal 650 gussets to me at AirVenture and the exact issue was not raised
again until a former European Zenith distributor raised a similar issue
(which I can't talk about) recently in an e-mail, a person privy to the letter
recently sent to CH by the European authorities. I have not seen the letter
(some have asked off line.)
>
> The flexing, which was most pronounced on the down aileron, has not re-occured
since installing the four gussets.
>
> Any opinions about the Hoerner wing tip sending air down or into the channel created by the aileron/spar gap, any opinions on whether the unsealed aileron hinge would amplify this effect, if any? http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-design.html
>
> The Germans did not impose a 111 MPH Vne for no reason at all, the left lane
of the Autobahn would be quicker...
>
> Does anyone remember if the Factory Demonstrator has PH ailerons or not?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219647#219647
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bubble Canopy full assembly weight... |
I have no idea, but I used a 15# figure to get a rough W&B so I could get some
idea where to put my battery. As soon as I get my engine checked out and it passes
compression test I'll be at the airport and see how close I was.
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ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: Bubble Canopy full assembly weight... |
That's a reasonable guess. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a little more, like
around 20 - 22 pounds.
GLJSOJ1 wrote:
> I have no idea, but I used a 15# figure to get a rough W&B so I could get some
idea where to put my battery. As soon as I get my engine checked out and it
passes compression test I'll be at the airport and see how close I was.
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
I must have missed the location for the gussets. Would someone please help me
out and give me some info on there design and location. Drawings?
Victor Kidd
N922VK
Would be fying except for the present WV weather.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Sent: Dec 16, 2008 2:31 PM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
>
>
>My test pilot noticed flexing at the inboard portion of the ailerons where Alex's
kink is. We did not know of Alex's kink at the time and did not think too
much of it. This was on the maiden flight, 11 months and 1 day ago. However,
once this video was reviewed by my IA before the next test flight:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ZcZPP18uk
>
>My IA noted the movement as well, and also noted the stress created at the point
the rear spar connects the inboard-forward corner of the aileron.
>
>Zenith indicated we were the first to raise the issue. Zenith was informed that
I had designed gussets and that they were or were about to be installed. Zenith
proceeded to link to my videos from their web page. No mention was made
of the internal 650 gussets to me at AirVenture and the exact issue was not raised
again until a former European Zenith distributor raised a similar issue (which
I can't talk about) recently in an e-mail, a person privy to the letter
recently sent to CH by the European authorities. I have not seen the letter (some
have asked off line.)
>
>The flexing, which was most pronounced on the down aileron, has not re-occured
since installing the four gussets.
>
>Any opinions about the Hoerner wing tip sending air down or into the channel created by the aileron/spar gap, any opinions on whether the unsealed aileron hinge would amplify this effect, if any? http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-design.html
>
>The Germans did not impose a 111 MPH Vne for no reason at all, the left lane of
the Autobahn would be quicker...
>
>Does anyone remember if the Factory Demonstrator has PH ailerons or not?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219647#219647
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
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| Subject: | Re: Attention Corvair Builders |
Brady wrote:
> To Whom it may concern:
>
> We have updated our website, www.magnificentmachine.com, with some technical articles that are aimed at .....
I got a page load error on clicking your link-maybe it is the comma on the end
of the url.
I think this is the site:
http://www.magnificentmachine.com/
Thanks for posting that info.
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Sabrina,
The red & white factory demonstrator had hingeless ailerons.
I have been communicating with a friend who is going the 650 route and he advised
me that the gussets are 0.025 aluminum and slipped between the skin and the
rib. They are installed using A4 rivets.
Stated reason is to prevent damage due to flapping in the wind when the aircraft
is parked outside. Caleb commented it was more of a problem with piano hinge
ailerons inasmuch that the hingeless type offer more resistance to deflection.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
I would have but the factory won't sell me (their registered builder) the 6
50 upgrade. (whine, sniffle)
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
<chicago2paris@msn.com>
Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Wow, did you to something to make them mad? Mine just came via UPS.
You should be able to get them if ordered before the first of the year.
The gussets are about 100mm - 110mm on a side. They are on the first
and second aileron ribs. A right triangle on the first and an
isosceles with the tip cut off on the second.
There have been a lot of queries about the anti-oil canning angles.
They are in line with the back of the wing locker and run parallel
with the main spar.
Ron
On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:59 PM, David Downey wrote:
> I would have but the factory won't sell me (their registered
> builder) the 650 upgrade. (whine, sniffle)
>
> David L. Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA, USA
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
> From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
> Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:36 PM
>
> <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>
> Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
>
>
> Read this topic online
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Is the main spar set the same as the 601XL?
In other words, do they just twist the wing to bring it down two inches in the
rear, or have they adjusted the main spar and side skin cut outs too?
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| Subject: | Supplemental aileron gussets |
The drawings for the supplemental aileron gussets are available for viewing
at www.zenair.org
These will also be printed in the new newsletter.
Looking for a few more good videos of building/flying for the next
newsletter DVD....
Let me know what you liked/disliked in the last one!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
>
> Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
I haven't looked at the existing plans (not that far along) but angle
of the front spare is 83 degrees (where 0 is horizontal and 90 is
vertical), leaning forward. This is measured where the top longeron
is level.
Without really studying them, I think the new plans are easier to
read. Looks to me like there are more drawings and they are better
annotated. This alone make the upgrade cost worth it to me.
Ron
On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Sabrina wrote:
> <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>
> Is the main spar set the same as the 601XL?
>
> In other words, do they just twist the wing to bring it down two
> inches in the rear, or have they adjusted the main spar and side
> skin cut outs too?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219722#219722
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
nope. they have simply taken the position that only the original buyer can
get them as an upgrade. Since I am the registered owner/builder, now even t
he original buyer cannot buy them as a discount. Since the wing is still ba
sically the same as before, other than the incidence increase, I am not wil
ling to cfough up the extra hundreds of dollars to get the 650 drawings.
What really bugs me is that since you have to surrender your existing 601 s
erial number to trade up, they are still only committed to support the cons
truction of one plane - and a supposedly better aircraft at that...
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
Wow, did you to something to make them mad? -Mine just came via UPS. -Y
ou should be able to get them if ordered before the first of the year.
The gussets are about 100mm -- 110mm on a side. -They are on the first
and second aileron ribs. -A right triangle on the first and an-isoscele
s-with the tip cut off on the second.
There have been a lot of queries about the anti-oil canning angles. -They
are in line with the back of the wing locker and run parallel with the mai
n spar.
Ron
On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:59 PM, David Downey wrote:
I would have but the factory won't sell me (their registered builder) the 6
50 upgrade. (whine, sniffle)
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
<chicago2paris@msn.com>
Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
Read this topic online
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
December 2008:
"these gussets are recommended for the Zodiac CH601XL..."
Thank you Zenith, thank you Jon.
I still think an AS5 rivet or two on the inboard corner is not a bad idea if Zenith's
"presumption" is incorrect.
Did anyone notice that the diagram is a hingless aileron not a PH version, yet
the paragraph refers to a hinged aileron. Is there a message here?
Does anyone with 650 plans have a PH version of this diagram?
http://www.zenair.org/nuke/MyDownloads/AileronLocks.pdf
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219737#219737
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
Ah, I see. This is policy I don't understand. I suppose they must
have there reasons. You can still change the canopy. My real
motivation was head room, and it wasn't really clear to me that all
the addition headroom in the 650 was due to the canopy change. I'd be
glad to answer any questions I can wrt the 650. As I said in another
post, I think the new plans are a bit more clear.
Ron
On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:21 PM, David Downey wrote:
> nope. they have simply taken the position that only the original
> buyer can get them as an upgrade. Since I am the registered owner/
> builder, now even the original buyer cannot buy them as a discount.
> Since the wing is still basically the same as before, other than the
> incidence increase, I am not willing to cfough up the extra hundreds
> of dollars to get the 650 drawings.
>
> What really bugs me is that since you have to surrender your
> existing 601 serial number to trade up, they are still only
> committed to support the construction of one plane - and a
> supposedly better aircraft at that...
>
> David L. Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA, USA
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com> wrote:
> From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:22 PM
>
> Wow, did you to something to make them mad? Mine just came via
> UPS. You should be able to get them if ordered before the first of
> the year.
>
> The gussets are about 100mm - 110mm on a side. They are on the
> first and second aileron ribs. A right triangle on the first and an
> isosceles with the tip cut off on the second.
>
> There have been a lot of queries about the anti-oil canning angles.
> They are in line with the back of the wing locker and run parallel
> with the main spar.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:59 PM, David Downey wrote:
>
>> I would have but the factory won't sell me (their registered
>> builder) the 650 upgrade. (whine, sniffle)
>>
>> David L. Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA, USA
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
>> From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>> Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
>> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:36 PM
>>
>> <chicago2paris@msn.com>
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>> Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
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| Subject: | Re: Supplemental aileron gussets |
Thanks Jon, getting that info was harder n' Chinese arithmetic :}
Do not Archive
The drawings for the supplemental aileron gussets are available for viewing
at www.zenair.org
These will also be printed in the new newsletter.
Looking for a few more good videos of building/flying for the next
newsletter DVD....
Let me know what you liked/disliked in the last one!
Thanks to all contributors that made that last one really fun to watch!
Jon
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina"
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Simple rivet test/unzip
>
> Does anyone have the 650 plans with the gussets shown?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simple rivet test/unzip |
I guess the top skin is still a "Hinge"
Do not archive
Terry Turnquist
601XL-Plans
St. Peters MO
December 2008:
"these gussets are recommended for the Zodiac CH601XL..."
Thank you Zenith, thank you Jon.
I still think an AS5 rivet or two on the inboard corner is not a bad idea if Zenith's
"presumption" is incorrect.
Did anyone notice that the diagram is a hingless aileron not a PH version, yet
the paragraph refers to a hinged aileron. Is there a message here?
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