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1. 02:37 AM - AS5 Rivets (K Dilks)
2. 02:43 AM - Re: AS5 Rivets (Iberplanes IGL)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: AS5 Rivets (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: NTSB report (Walter Carey)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: AS5 Rivets (Tim Juhl)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: AS5 Rivets (Jim Belcher)
7. 10:21 AM - Re: Yuba City Probable cause released (leinad)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Yuba City Probable cause released (Iberplanes IGL)
9. 01:44 PM - Re: AS5 Rivets (Tim Juhl)
10. 07:05 PM - Re: Yuba City Probable cause released (Ron Lendon)
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I think I saw a post on this but cant find the answer using the search function.
Can anyone advise where the 3 AS 5 rivets are packed? as I have looked through
all the obvious to me places and nothing.
Thanks and happy new year!
Kev
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same here, a complete kit should have 25/30 of them.
bye.
2008/12/30 K Dilks <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
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> I think I saw a post on this but cant find the answer using the search
> function.
> Can anyone advise where the 3 AS 5 rivets are packed? as I have looked
> through all the obvious to me places and nothing.
>
>
> Thanks and happy new year!
>
> Kev
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Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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Kevin,
Mine were packed in a clear plastic baggie, but there were 17 or 18 of them.? You
will need 7 in each rudder pedal for the brake pedal hinge.? So, if you have
brakes for both sides, there should be around 31 or 32 rivets.?
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
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From: K Dilks <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 4:37 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: AS5 Rivets
I think I saw a post on this but cant find the answer using the search function.
Can anyone advise where the 3 AS 5 rivets are packed? as I have looked through
all the obvious to me places and nothing.
Thanks and happy new year!
Kev
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John,
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- You're the first on the list. Hope to get at least 9 more interested bu
ilders. Send me you e-mail address for the list, and when I get enough inte
rested builders (10), I ask you-for your mailing address.- Walt.
--- On Tue, 12/30/08, John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report
Walter,
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I think your idea of share cable tension gauge is great.- It allows the g
auge to be more-accessible, and, hopefully, more planes to be correctly t
ensioned.- Put me in your list.
From: Walter Carey <careywf@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report
Tim,
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-- I agree with what you said about A&P's and experimental aircraft own
ers failing to-check control cable tension during annual or 100 hour insp
ections.
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-- I have an idea that I would like to put forth for all 601XL & HD own
ers on the list who have completed and are flying their airplane in the Uni
ted States (overseas owners could do the same thing in their area if intere
sted). I will buy a cable tension gauge that can be used on the 601XL & HD,
and mail it out to anyone who wants to check their control cables to see i
f they meet the specifications called for by Zenith.-When the person who
has the gauge-through testing-and adjusting their cables (please do the
testing/adjusting ASAP), that person mails the tensionometer-off to the
next person on the list (at their expense). I'll maintain-the list of who
would like to check their cables and-inform whomever has the gauge where
to send it next. I only ask that whenever the gauge is mailed to the next
person, I be informed so we don't loose track of there the gauge is.-I'll
also make a lightweight padded shipping box inwhich the meter can be
shipped.
-
-----If I get at least 10 interested individuals, I order the gau
ge and get things moving. The kit could also include the cable tensions rec
ommeded by Zenith for the-XL & HD, plus instruction on how to properly sa
fety wire the turnbuckles. And the checking of cable tension might also be
added to everyones annual inspection checklist.
-
----Is anyone interested?-
-
Walt in Ohio
601XL/w/Jabiru 3300A
working on fuselage------
--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Tim Juhl <juhl@avci.net> wrote:
From: Tim Juhl <juhl@avci.net>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report
<juhl@avci.net>
Walt,
That was quite a graphic and informative report. I, too have wondered if s
ome
of the unusual aircraft movements observed prior to the loss of the XL's in
question might have been actions taken by the pilot to dampen flutter.
Interestingly enough, most Ercoupes originally had balanced ailerons - from
what I read the balance weighed almost 4 pounds and hung off the bottom of
the
aileron. They have been removed from most ercoupes as a alternate means of
compliance with a 1947 AD that required reinforcement of the lower ailerons
skins because of the weight of the device.
I suspect if one were to run around with a cable tensionometer and check th
e
aircraft sitting on the ramp at the local airport they would find most did
not
have the cable tension set correctly. I have participated in over 50 annua
ls
over the years and never seen a mechanic check the cable tension with such
a
device. Unless they are really loose they get only a cursory inspection.
We had a case a number of years ago where an ercoupe on the field was damag
ed
after it got away from the owner who was trying to hand prop it because of
a
dead battery. They had to pull the wings and when they went to disconnect
the
control cables they found that the cable turnbuckles were secured with bra
ss
safety wire (not in use for many years) one of which had broken and allowed
the
turnbuckle to back off to where it was held on by only a couple of threads.
If
not for the damage on the ground that required disassembly it would have le
t go
in the air.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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Check the inventory list that Zenith sends with each kit. It will tell you where
AS5 rivets are used. Then look in the boxes containing parts associated with
that component.
I found one of the most helpful things was to go down the inventory list while
checking things in and mark the location of each item. I put a code on each
box with magic marker and similarly wrote the part number in a conspicuous part
of the paper wrapping each piece of sheet metal. So far it has worked pretty
good.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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On Tuesday 30 December 2008 10:55, Tim Juhl wrote:
>
> Check the inventory list that Zenith sends with each kit. It will tell you
> where AS5 rivets are used. Then look in the boxes containing parts
> associated with that component.
All of mine were in a single zip lock bag, not associated with any particular
assembly. I believe that bag was in a cardboard container labeled "hardware."
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Yuba City Probable cause released |
I just checked the NTSB database and didn't see the report. Where are you guys
reading this? Could someone post a link?
dougsire wrote:
> NTSB released the probable cause for the 11/06 AMD accident in Yuba City. The
smoking gun is....In-flight structural failure of the horizontal stabilizer
and wings for undetermined reasons.
>
> Doug Sire
> Billings, MT
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| Subject: | Re: Yuba City Probable cause released |
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 061115X01677&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 061115X01677&ntsbno=LAX07FA026&akey=1
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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I bought the complete kit back in 2006. The AS5 rivets were scattered amongst
the various components that they were a part of.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Yuba City Probable cause released |
I found it here:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX07FA026&rpt=fi
and the most interesting thing is at the end.
REASON FOR OCCURRENCE UNDETERMINED
Let's try to keep that in mind.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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