---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/30/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:37 AM - AS5 Rivets (K Dilks) 2. 02:43 AM - Re: AS5 Rivets (Iberplanes IGL) 3. 05:39 AM - Re: AS5 Rivets (jaybannist@cs.com) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: NTSB report (Walter Carey) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: AS5 Rivets (Tim Juhl) 6. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: AS5 Rivets (Jim Belcher) 7. 10:21 AM - Re: Yuba City Probable cause released (leinad) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Yuba City Probable cause released (Iberplanes IGL) 9. 01:44 PM - Re: AS5 Rivets (Tim Juhl) 10. 07:05 PM - Re: Yuba City Probable cause released (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: AS5 Rivets From: "K Dilks" I think I saw a post on this but cant find the answer using the search function. Can anyone advise where the 3 AS 5 rivets are packed? as I have looked through all the obvious to me places and nothing. Thanks and happy new year! Kev -------- Austria ............. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221765#221765 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:40 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: AS5 Rivets same here, a complete kit should have 25/30 of them. bye. 2008/12/30 K Dilks > > I think I saw a post on this but cant find the answer using the search > function. > Can anyone advise where the 3 AS 5 rivets are packed? as I have looked > through all the obvious to me places and nothing. > > > Thanks and happy new year! > > Kev > > -------- > Austria ............. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221765#221765 > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: AS5 Rivets From: jaybannist@cs.com Kevin, Mine were packed in a clear plastic baggie, but there were 17 or 18 of them.? You will need 7 in each rudder pedal for the brake pedal hinge.? So, if you have brakes for both sides, there should be around 31 or 32 rivets.? Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: K Dilks Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 4:37 am Subject: Zenith601-List: AS5 Rivets I think I saw a post on this but cant find the answer using the search function. Can anyone advise where the 3 AS 5 rivets are packed? as I have looked through all the obvious to me places and nothing. Thanks and happy new year! Kev -------- Austria ............. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:11 AM PST US From: Walter Carey Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report John, - - You're the first on the list. Hope to get at least 9 more interested bu ilders. Send me you e-mail address for the list, and when I get enough inte rested builders (10), I ask you-for your mailing address.- Walt. --- On Tue, 12/30/08, John Smith wrote: From: John Smith Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report Walter, - I think your idea of share cable tension gauge is great.- It allows the g auge to be more-accessible, and, hopefully, more planes to be correctly t ensioned.- Put me in your list. From: Walter Carey Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:58:23 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report Tim, - -- I agree with what you said about A&P's and experimental aircraft own ers failing to-check control cable tension during annual or 100 hour insp ections. - -- I have an idea that I would like to put forth for all 601XL & HD own ers on the list who have completed and are flying their airplane in the Uni ted States (overseas owners could do the same thing in their area if intere sted). I will buy a cable tension gauge that can be used on the 601XL & HD, and mail it out to anyone who wants to check their control cables to see i f they meet the specifications called for by Zenith.-When the person who has the gauge-through testing-and adjusting their cables (please do the testing/adjusting ASAP), that person mails the tensionometer-off to the next person on the list (at their expense). I'll maintain-the list of who would like to check their cables and-inform whomever has the gauge where to send it next. I only ask that whenever the gauge is mailed to the next person, I be informed so we don't loose track of there the gauge is.-I'll also make a lightweight padded shipping box inwhich the meter can be shipped. - -----If I get at least 10 interested individuals, I order the gau ge and get things moving. The kit could also include the cable tensions rec ommeded by Zenith for the-XL & HD, plus instruction on how to properly sa fety wire the turnbuckles. And the checking of cable tension might also be added to everyones annual inspection checklist. - ----Is anyone interested?- - Walt in Ohio 601XL/w/Jabiru 3300A working on fuselage------ --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Tim Juhl wrote: From: Tim Juhl Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: NTSB report Walt, That was quite a graphic and informative report. I, too have wondered if s ome of the unusual aircraft movements observed prior to the loss of the XL's in question might have been actions taken by the pilot to dampen flutter. Interestingly enough, most Ercoupes originally had balanced ailerons - from what I read the balance weighed almost 4 pounds and hung off the bottom of the aileron. They have been removed from most ercoupes as a alternate means of compliance with a 1947 AD that required reinforcement of the lower ailerons skins because of the weight of the device. I suspect if one were to run around with a cable tensionometer and check th e aircraft sitting on the ramp at the local airport they would find most did not have the cable tension set correctly. I have participated in over 50 annua ls over the years and never seen a mechanic check the cable tension with such a device. Unless they are really loose they get only a cursory inspection. We had a case a number of years ago where an ercoupe on the field was damag ed after it got away from the owner who was trying to hand prop it because of a dead battery. They had to pull the wings and when they went to disconnect the control cables they found that the cable turnbuckles were secured with bra ss safety wire (not in use for many years) one of which had broken and allowed the turnbuckle to back off to where it was held on by only a couple of threads. If not for the damage on the ground that required disassembly it would have le t go in the air. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221644#221644 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: AS5 Rivets From: "Tim Juhl" Check the inventory list that Zenith sends with each kit. It will tell you where AS5 rivets are used. Then look in the boxes containing parts associated with that component. I found one of the most helpful things was to go down the inventory list while checking things in and mark the location of each item. I put a code on each box with magic marker and similarly wrote the part number in a conspicuous part of the paper wrapping each piece of sheet metal. So far it has worked pretty good. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221795#221795 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:44 AM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: AS5 Rivets On Tuesday 30 December 2008 10:55, Tim Juhl wrote: > > Check the inventory list that Zenith sends with each kit. It will tell you > where AS5 rivets are used. Then look in the boxes containing parts > associated with that component. All of mine were in a single zip lock bag, not associated with any particular assembly. I believe that bag was in a cardboard container labeled "hardware." -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Yuba City Probable cause released From: "leinad" I just checked the NTSB database and didn't see the report. Where are you guys reading this? Could someone post a link? dougsire wrote: > NTSB released the probable cause for the 11/06 AMD accident in Yuba City. The smoking gun is....In-flight structural failure of the horizontal stabilizer and wings for undetermined reasons. > > Doug Sire > Billings, MT -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221806#221806 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:59 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Yuba City Probable cause released http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 061115X01677&key=1 http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 061115X01677&ntsbno=LAX07FA026&akey=1 Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: AS5 Rivets From: "Tim Juhl" I bought the complete kit back in 2006. The AS5 rivets were scattered amongst the various components that they were a part of. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221832#221832 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Yuba City Probable cause released From: "Ron Lendon" I found it here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX07FA026&rpt=fi and the most interesting thing is at the end. REASON FOR OCCURRENCE UNDETERMINED Let's try to keep that in mind. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221871#221871 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.