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2. 12:05 PM - Hand Riveter Heads (dalemed)
3. 12:15 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Bryan Martin)
4. 12:21 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 12:22 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 12:23 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Ron Pollock)
7. 12:26 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Stephen R. Look)
8. 12:44 PM - 2 More fun videos :) (Brady)
9. 12:54 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Gig Giacona)
10. 12:58 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (NYTerminat@aol.com)
11. 02:05 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (JohnDRead@aol.com)
12. 04:41 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Tim Juhl)
13. 05:16 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Carlos Sa)
14. 05:25 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Craig Payne)
15. 06:21 PM - Carby Air/Heat box (Ianrat)
16. 06:37 PM - Re: Carby Air/Heat box (jaybannist@cs.com)
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Hello, all
In case you have received an invite to join zenith.aero, and are wondering
if it is real, I can assure it is.
I have already joined. The web site has potential...
123 members at the moment, several from the z-lists.
http://www.zenith.aero/
Happy New Year !
Carlos
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| Subject: | Hand Riveter Heads |
Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the
A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally purchased from them
about 30 years ago when I thought I would scratch build a CH250. I used these
in a standard hardware store hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set
some rivets on the 601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with
the head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them back
to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them triple wrapped, they
broke out of the envelope and were lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones!
However, the new ones won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller
diameter thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought
from Zenith).
The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my old riveter
needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new riveter! I bought
one at the local Menards that looked like it would get me into tight places only
to discover when I got home that it uses the same thread size heads as my old
riveter!
So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a recommendation for
a good manual riveter that will take the same thread size heads as the Zenith
Pneumatic riveter.
Any recommendations will be appreciated!
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Dale
Flying Cessna 170B
Building Zenith CH650
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
It's not too hard to grind the heads to the proper shape your self.
Just chuck the head into a drill motor and spin it while grinding with
a small grinding bit in a Dremel tool. I bought spare heads for my
Harbor Freight riveter so I could grind a set and still have a flat set.
On Dec 31, 2008, at 3:05 PM, dalemed wrote:
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> Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that
> will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
>
> Any recommendations will be appreciated!
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
Dale,
I bought a swiveling head type rivet puller at the local Ace Hardware.? I found
that the ZAC riveter nose pieces wouldn't fit; so I just ground the Ace nose
pieces myself.? They were so hard that I had to heat them up and let them cool
to be able to grind them.? I chucked the nose piece in a hand drill and ground
it with a ball end tool in a Dremel.? It may not have precisely the same contour
that ZAC provides, but I compared the results from both and it was certainly
close enough for me.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: dalemed <dalemed@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 2:05 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads
Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the
A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally purchased from
them about 30 years ago when I thought I would scratch build a CH250. I used
these in a standard hardware store hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set
some rivets on the 601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with
the head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them back to
Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them triple wrapped, they
broke out of the envelope and were lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones!
However, the new ones won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller
diameter thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from
Zenith).
The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my old riveter
needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new riveter! I bought one
at the local Menards that looked like it would get me into tight places only to
discover when I got home that it uses the same thread size heads as my old
riveter!
So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a recommendation for
a good manual riveter that will take the same thread size heads as the Zenith
Pneumatic riveter.
Any recommendations will be appreciated!
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Dale
Flying Cessna 170B
Building Zenith CH650
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
Hi Dale,
Have no fear. You can grind your own recesses in riveter nose pieces.
There are many ways to do this. Perhaps the best way is to use a
round grind stone or round cutter in a small rotary tool - a
"Dremel". I mounted my nose pieces in the 3 jaw chuck of my lathe
and turned the piece slowly while grinding the recess. You might do
the same thing using a drill instead of the lathe.
The only "Trick" is deciding when you have ground enough. This can
be done by testing the nose piece with actual rivet setting. If you
feel you have gone too far you can reduce the depth of the recess by
filing a flat zone off the end of the nose piece.
You may need to buy some new tools to accomplish this task. But,
isn't building the airplane mostly just a good excuse to buy new tools?
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 12:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>
>Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that
>will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
>
>I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally
>purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would
>scratch build a CH250. I used these in a standard hardware store
>hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the
>601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the
>head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them
>back to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them
>triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were
>lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones! However, the new ones
>won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter
>thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith).
>
>The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my
>old riveter needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new
>riveter! I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it
>would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that
>it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter!
>
>So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a
>recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same
>thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter.
>
>Any recommendations will be appreciated!
>
>--------
>Dale
>Flying Cessna 170B
>Building Zenith CH650
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for
A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the
A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?).
Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!)
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
I use the manual riveter that Zenith sells. It has worked well and
the heads are already ground when you get it.
Steve
At 02:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>
>So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a
>recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same
>thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter.
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
www.ilrt66.com
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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| Subject: | 2 More fun videos :) |
For those who are interested; I just posted two more videos.
The first one is of how we resurface the Head gasket area on the Corvair heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptR8V9T1NM
The second one is cutting out a rear starter bracket for our MagVair conversion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHNyFiEOZV4
I'm not really addicted to Joe Satriani; I just like instrumentals.
I'll try to change it up a bit in the future.
Enjoy :)
Happy New Year!
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
Yes they are different.
ronpollock(at)gmail.com wrote:
> I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for
> A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the
> A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?).
>
> Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!)
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
Dale
It would be a lot easier to re tap the treads in the rivet gun if you
already have the nose pieces from Zenith.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
In a message dated 12/31/2008 12:22:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
psm@att.net writes:
--> Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
Hi Dale,
Have no fear. You can grind your own recesses in riveter nose pieces.
There are many ways to do this. Perhaps the best way is to use a
round grind stone or round cutter in a small rotary tool - a
"Dremel". I mounted my nose pieces in the 3 jaw chuck of my lathe
and turned the piece slowly while grinding the recess. You might do
the same thing using a drill instead of the lathe.
The only "Trick" is deciding when you have ground enough. This can
be done by testing the nose piece with actual rivet setting. If you
feel you have gone too far you can reduce the depth of the recess by
filing a flat zone off the end of the nose piece.
You may need to buy some new tools to accomplish this task. But,
isn't building the airplane mostly just a good excuse to buy new tools?
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 12:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "dalemed" <dalemed@gmail.com>
>
>Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that
>will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
>
>I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally
>purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would
>scratch build a CH250. I used these in a standard hardware store
>hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the
>601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the
>head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them
>back to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them
>triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were
>lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones! However, the new ones
>won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter
>thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from
Zenith).
>
>The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my
>old riveter needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new
>riveter! I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it
>would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that
>it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter!
>
>So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a
>recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same
>thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter.
>
>Any recommendations will be appreciated!
>
>--------
>Dale
>Flying Cessna 170B
>Building Zenith CH650
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
The formed rivet heads are different sizes. I think if you ask them Zenith
will tell you the correct dimensions for the riveter heads.
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John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 12/31/2008 1:24:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
ronpollock@gmail.com writes:
--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Ron Pollock" <ronpollock@gmail.com>
I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for
A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the
A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?).
Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!)
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celebrity break-ups and everything in between.
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
Send in the heads you got from menards. I was not happy with the ones I tried
to grind myself so finally had them do it. Glad I did.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Riveter Heads |
See this video posted by ZAC on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdJPOM51A
(It's also posted, with better quality, on zenith.aero )
Carlos
2008/12/31 dalemed <dalemed@gmail.com>
>
> Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form
> the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
>
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| Subject: | Hand Riveter Heads |
There is also a section on making and testing riveter heads in the Zenith
construction standards document in the builder's area on the Zenith site.
But it doesn't add much to what has already been posted.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads
See this video posted by ZAC on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdJPOM51A
(It's also posted, with better quality, on zenith.aero )
Carlos
2008/12/31 dalemed <dalemed@gmail.com>
Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form
the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly?
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| Subject: | Carby Air/Heat box |
Up to the stage of setting up the carby on the 601XL using the Corvair.
Could any one give any dimensions of a Air/Heat box. I have seen the one on WW
site but if possible can i have any dimensions so as i can fabricate one. Or any
places to purchase one completed.
Thank you
Ianrat. :D
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| Subject: | Re: Carby Air/Heat box |
Ianrat,
The complete cowling kit is available from WW.? The bottom part of the cowling,
that includes the air/heat box, is rather complex.? It came to me as a complete
item, excepting the box for the air filter. I fabricated that myself, but I
would not want to fabricate the main lower cowling piece. See photos.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:18 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: Carby Air/Heat box
Up to the stage of setting up the carby on the 601XL using the Corvair.
Could any one give any dimensions of a Air/Heat box. I have seen the one on WW
site but if possible can i have any dimensions so as i can fabricate one. Or any
places to purchase one completed.
Thank you
Ianrat. :D
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