---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/31/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:03 AM - zenith.aero (Carlos Sa) 2. 12:05 PM - Hand Riveter Heads (dalemed) 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Bryan Martin) 4. 12:21 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 12:22 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Paul Mulwitz) 6. 12:23 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Ron Pollock) 7. 12:26 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Stephen R. Look) 8. 12:44 PM - 2 More fun videos :) (Brady) 9. 12:54 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Gig Giacona) 10. 12:58 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (NYTerminat@aol.com) 11. 02:05 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (JohnDRead@aol.com) 12. 04:41 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Tim Juhl) 13. 05:16 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Carlos Sa) 14. 05:25 PM - Re: Hand Riveter Heads (Craig Payne) 15. 06:21 PM - Carby Air/Heat box (Ianrat) 16. 06:37 PM - Re: Carby Air/Heat box (jaybannist@cs.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:06 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Zenith601-List: zenith.aero Hello, all In case you have received an invite to join zenith.aero, and are wondering if it is real, I can assure it is. I have already joined. The web site has potential... 123 members at the moment, several from the z-lists. http://www.zenith.aero/ Happy New Year ! Carlos do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads From: "dalemed" Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would scratch build a CH250. I used these in a standard hardware store hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the 601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them back to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones! However, the new ones won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith). The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my old riveter needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new riveter! I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter! So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter. Any recommendations will be appreciated! -------- Dale Flying Cessna 170B Building Zenith CH650 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222000#222000 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:57 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads It's not too hard to grind the heads to the proper shape your self. Just chuck the head into a drill motor and spin it while grinding with a small grinding bit in a Dremel tool. I bought spare heads for my Harbor Freight riveter so I could grind a set and still have a flat set. On Dec 31, 2008, at 3:05 PM, dalemed wrote: > > Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that > will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? > > Any recommendations will be appreciated! > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads From: jaybannist@cs.com Dale, I bought a swiveling head type rivet puller at the local Ace Hardware.? I found that the ZAC riveter nose pieces wouldn't fit; so I just ground the Ace nose pieces myself.? They were so hard that I had to heat them up and let them cool to be able to grind them.? I chucked the nose piece in a hand drill and ground it with a ball end tool in a Dremel.? It may not have precisely the same contour that ZAC provides, but I compared the results from both and it was certainly close enough for me. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: dalemed Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 2:05 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would scratch build a CH250. I used these in a standard hardware store hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the 601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them back to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones! However, the new ones won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith). The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my old riveter needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new riveter! I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter! So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter. Any recommendations will be appreciated! -------- Dale Flying Cessna 170B Building Zenith CH650 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222000#222000 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:26 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads Hi Dale, Have no fear. You can grind your own recesses in riveter nose pieces. There are many ways to do this. Perhaps the best way is to use a round grind stone or round cutter in a small rotary tool - a "Dremel". I mounted my nose pieces in the 3 jaw chuck of my lathe and turned the piece slowly while grinding the recess. You might do the same thing using a drill instead of the lathe. The only "Trick" is deciding when you have ground enough. This can be done by testing the nose piece with actual rivet setting. If you feel you have gone too far you can reduce the depth of the recess by filing a flat zone off the end of the nose piece. You may need to buy some new tools to accomplish this task. But, isn't building the airplane mostly just a good excuse to buy new tools? Good luck, Paul XL getting close At 12:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote: > >Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that >will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? > >I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally >purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would >scratch build a CH250. I used these in a standard hardware store >hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the >601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the >head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them >back to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them >triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were >lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones! However, the new ones >won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter >thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith). > >The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my >old riveter needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new >riveter! I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it >would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that >it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter! > >So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a >recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same >thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter. > >Any recommendations will be appreciated! > >-------- >Dale >Flying Cessna 170B >Building Zenith CH650 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:43 PM PST US From: "Ron Pollock" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?). Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:26 PM PST US From: "Stephen R. Look" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads I use the manual riveter that Zenith sells. It has worked well and the heads are already ground when you get it. Steve At 02:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote: > >So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a >recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same >thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter. Steve Look Monticello, IL www.ilrt66.com "Dogs have owners, Cats have staff" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: 2 More fun videos :) From: "Brady" For those who are interested; I just posted two more videos. The first one is of how we resurface the Head gasket area on the Corvair heads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptR8V9T1NM The second one is cutting out a rear starter bracket for our MagVair conversion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHNyFiEOZV4 I'm not really addicted to Joe Satriani; I just like instrumentals. I'll try to change it up a bit in the future. Enjoy :) Happy New Year! -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222023#222023 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Hand Riveter Heads From: "Gig Giacona" Yes they are different. ronpollock(at)gmail.com wrote: > I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for > A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the > A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?). > > Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222028#222028 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:39 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads Dale It would be a lot easier to re tap the treads in the rivet gun if you already have the nose pieces from Zenith. Bob Spudis N701ZX In a message dated 12/31/2008 12:22:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, psm@att.net writes: --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz Hi Dale, Have no fear. You can grind your own recesses in riveter nose pieces. There are many ways to do this. Perhaps the best way is to use a round grind stone or round cutter in a small rotary tool - a "Dremel". I mounted my nose pieces in the 3 jaw chuck of my lathe and turned the piece slowly while grinding the recess. You might do the same thing using a drill instead of the lathe. The only "Trick" is deciding when you have ground enough. This can be done by testing the nose piece with actual rivet setting. If you feel you have gone too far you can reduce the depth of the recess by filing a flat zone off the end of the nose piece. You may need to buy some new tools to accomplish this task. But, isn't building the airplane mostly just a good excuse to buy new tools? Good luck, Paul XL getting close At 12:05 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote: >--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "dalemed" > >Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that >will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? > >I recently returned two heads to Zenith that I had originally >purchased from them about 30 years ago when I thought I would >scratch build a CH250. I used these in a standard hardware store >hand riveter. I've used this old tool to set some rivets on the >601XL/650 that I'm building now and I wasn't very happy with the >head that was being formed on the rivet. So, I decided to send them >back to Zenith and have them reworked. Even though I had them >triple wrapped, they broke out of the envelope and were >lost. Zenith kindly sent me some new ones! However, the new ones >won't fit my old tool (the replacements are a smaller diameter >thread - the same as the thread on the pneumatic riveter I bought from Zenith). > >The Zenith factory now tells me they can't supply the thread size my >old riveter needs. So, I decided what the heck, I'll just buy a new >riveter! I bought one at the local Menards that looked like it >would get me into tight places only to discover when I got home that >it uses the same thread size heads as my old riveter! > >So I'm now looking for another supplier of rivet heads, or a >recommendation for a good manual riveter that will take the same >thread size heads as the Zenith Pneumatic riveter. > >Any recommendations will be appreciated! > >-------- >Dale >Flying Cessna 170B >Building Zenith CH650 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:44 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads The formed rivet heads are different sizes. I think if you ask them Zenith will tell you the correct dimensions for the riveter heads. do not archive John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 12/31/2008 1:24:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ronpollock@gmail.com writes: --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Ron Pollock" I hope this isn't a foolish question but do you need separate dies for A4 and A5? The A4 die I ground seems to also be the right one for the A5 shafts but wouldn't have the right head profile (?). Thanks, Ron in L.A. (Happy New Year!) **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:28 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Hand Riveter Heads From: "Tim Juhl" Send in the heads you got from menards. I was not happy with the ones I tried to grind myself so finally had them do it. Glad I did. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222084#222084 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:15 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads See this video posted by ZAC on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdJPOM51A (It's also posted, with better quality, on zenith.aero ) Carlos 2008/12/31 dalemed > > Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form > the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:09 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads There is also a section on making and testing riveter heads in the Zenith construction standards document in the builder's area on the Zenith site. But it doesn't add much to what has already been posted. -- Craig From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Hand Riveter Heads See this video posted by ZAC on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdJPOM51A (It's also posted, with better quality, on zenith.aero ) Carlos 2008/12/31 dalemed Is Zenith Aircraft Company the only source for riveter heads that will form the A4 and A5 rivet heads properly? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Carby Air/Heat box From: "Ianrat" Up to the stage of setting up the carby on the 601XL using the Corvair. Could any one give any dimensions of a Air/Heat box. I have seen the one on WW site but if possible can i have any dimensions so as i can fabricate one. Or any places to purchase one completed. Thank you Ianrat. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222104#222104 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Carby Air/Heat box From: jaybannist@cs.com Ianrat, The complete cowling kit is available from WW.? The bottom part of the cowling, that includes the air/heat box, is rather complex.? It came to me as a complete item, excepting the box for the air filter. I fabricated that myself, but I would not want to fabricate the main lower cowling piece. See photos. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Ianrat Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:18 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: Carby Air/Heat box Up to the stage of setting up the carby on the 601XL using the Corvair. Could any one give any dimensions of a Air/Heat box. I have seen the one on WW site but if possible can i have any dimensions so as i can fabricate one. Or any places to purchase one completed. Thank you Ianrat. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222104#222104 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.