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1. 06:08 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (Gig Giacona)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (T. Graziano)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: parts location (Jim Belcher)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (Gig Giacona)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: parts location (Gig Giacona)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: parts location (JohnDRead@aol.com)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 10:54 AM - AMD Notification Letter (lwinger)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: parts location (Jim Belcher)
10. 11:49 AM - Re: W&B 601XL (PatrickW)
11. 11:59 AM - 601 Builders... some advice please.. (Frank Derfler)
12. 12:34 PM - Re: Tire Pressure (Thruster87)
13. 12:42 PM - Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. (Thruster87)
14. 12:50 PM - Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. (jaybannist@cs.com)
15. 03:19 PM - Flap Control Tuibes (Peter W Johnson)
16. 03:26 PM - Re: Tire Pressure (Leo Gates)
17. 03:51 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
18. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: parts location (Ronald Steele)
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressure |
According to page 6 of 6-G in the construction manual 50psi.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressure |
Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 psig.
You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site.
Tony Graziano
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thruster87" <alania@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure
> <alania@optusnet.com.au>
>
> What tire pressures are recommended for the standard Zenith issue Condor
> tires ?? Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223493#223493
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote:
> (Cant remember who posted, sorry)
>
> It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit, before send
> it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or later.
> In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kitsand I am now about half
> way buildinga 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing of this
> five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or twoparts did
> not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans.
> Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kitsfor diferent
> airplanes, cant say the same.
> Here in Mexico. like for allother builder in countries around the world,
> is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are expensive and
> paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing shipped
> parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to explain
> and impossible proof.
> Saludos
I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply isn't room to
unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had hoped to
do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just
suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are there ....
somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where.
I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for parts in the
packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That place
should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as shorting me
parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done anything like
that. They seem honest, and above board.
But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts worth a total
$16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be cheaper and
quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can either use
them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same
problem.
Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large problem here in
far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least I'm not
paying import duties or customs fees.
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressure |
tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
> Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 psig.
> You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site.
>
> Tony Graziano
>
> ---
That is correct for the 4 ply tires but according to the build manual the kit comes
with 6 ply tires.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
Well Jim, there is one guaranteed way to find the parts. Order their replacement.
:)
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
Jim;
I had a couple of instances of not being able to find parts that
were checked off on the Zenith check list. I called Zenith and they sent me the
parts no charge. Give it a try.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:57:35 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
z601@anemicaardvark.com writes:
--> Zenith601-List message posted by: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote:
> (Cant remember who posted, sorry)
>
> It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit, before send
> it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or later.
> In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kits and I am now about half
> way building a 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing of this
> five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or two parts
did
> not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans.
> Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kits for diferent
> airplanes, cant say the same.
> Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the world,
> is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are expensive and
> paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing shipped
> parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to explain
> and impossible proof.
> Saludos
I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply isn't room
to
unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had hoped
to
do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just
suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are there ....
somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where.
I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for parts in the
packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That place
should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as shorting me
parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done anything like
that. They seem honest, and above board.
But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts worth a
total
$16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be cheaper and
quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can either
use
them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same
problem.
Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large problem here
in
far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least I'm not
paying import duties or customs fees.
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BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressure |
AMD says 30 psi.? ZAC says 50 psi.? I split the difference and use 40 psi.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: T. Graziano <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure
?
Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 psig.
You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site.?
?
Tony Graziano?
?
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From: "Thruster87" <alania@optusnet.com.au>?
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39 PM?
Subject: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure?
?
> <alania@optusnet.com.au>?
>?
> What tire pressures are recommended for the standard Zenith issue Condor
> tires ?? Thanks?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Read this topic online here:?
>?
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223493#223493?
>?
>?
>?
>?
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| Subject: | AMD Notification Letter |
This just came in from Mathieu Heintz:
To all,
Please see the latest AMD notification letter at:
http://www.newplane.com/amd/CH2000_Service.html
Or direct link at:
http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf
It is an extended version of the recent ZAC posting.
This Notification is very interesting as it raises the possibility of
potential airworthness problems if the aircraft controls are not
secured when the aircraft is parked in high winds.
Regards
Mathieu Heintz
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Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Control surfaces and wings complete
Fuselage 85% complete
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
On Thursday 08 January 2009 10:36, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> Well Jim, there is one guaranteed way to find the parts. Order their
> replacement. :)
It works that way at your house too?
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alex_001 wrote:
> have a look
Thanks for sharing those, Alex.
- Pat
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | 601 Builders... some advice please.. |
Okay 601 builders, would you please throw a lifeline to this poor 601 pilot
who has never pulled a rivet in his life. I fly an AMD-Made 601XL that is
over two years old and has about 200 trouble-free hours.
This notification letter from AMD,
http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf
<http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf>says
that somebody, I guess an A&P in my case, should install "gussets" on each
aileron.
My quite uninformed question is... does this mean that someone (my A&P) has
to tear each aileron apart, fabricate the plates from aluminum of the
designated quality, rivet them in, and then return the skin to its previous
pristine form?
- Will the skin fit?
- How difficult is this in terms of "hours" an A&P might charge?
- What other questions should I ask? I don't know what I do not know.,
-- Frank Derfler, Islamorada, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressure |
Thank you all .I friend runs his Cessna 150 at 30psi nose and 28psi mains. So 30psi
should be in the ball park
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. |
I just did that mode [very quick and easy as you only need to remove a few rivets
around both areas]and it took about a 1 hrs work.Keeping in mind I'm still
in the building process and the aileron was not painted or installed. Cheers
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. |
Frank,
I look at this notification as an "either - or" type thing.? Either you do the
reinforcing or you properly secure the control surfaces when the airplane is tied
down outside.? With gust locks of some sort on the control surfaces, the reinforcing
does nothing but add weigh and/or make you feel good. It is like having
a reinforced lockbox inside a locked safe; or "belt and suspenders".?
The reinforcing might do some good if the gust locks fail; but from looking at
those photos, I sincerely doubt that the reinforcing would have prevented that
damage.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Derfler <fderfler@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 1:56 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601 Builders... some advice please..
Okay 601 builders, would you please throw a lifeline to this poor 601 pilot who
has never pulled a rivet in his life. ?I fly an AMD-Made 601XL that is over two
years old and has about 200 trouble-free hours.
This notification letter from AMD, ?http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf ??
says that somebody, I guess an A&P in my case, ?should install "gussets" on each
aileron. ?
My quite uninformed question is... does this mean that someone (my A&P) has to
tear each aileron apart, fabricate the plates from aluminum of the designated
quality, rivet them in, and then return the skin to its previous pristine form?
?
- Will the skin fit?
- How difficult is this in terms of "hours" an A&P might charge? ?
- What other questions should I ask? ?I don't know what I do not know.,?
-- Frank Derfler, ?Islamorada, FL?
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| Subject: | Flap Control Tuibes |
Hi Guys,
I am presently fitting the flap motor and control tubes. What is the angle
of the flap control tube (6B19-1 and 2) relative to the flap control arm
(6B19-3)? I need to drill the holes for the bolts that hold all three pieces
together.
I don't have the wings built yet so is it worth waiting until the wings and
flaps are in place before drilling anything?
Cheers
Peter
601 XL
Wonthaggi Australia
http://zodiac.cpc-world.com <http://zodiac.cpc-world.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressure |
Jay, ZAC says air to 2/3 rim above ground for the HD and HDS. (2/3 tire
rim distance to outside of tire) Of course that is 1200 lb gross vs
1320 for the XL. On my HDS I found 2/3 to be 18 psi. OK for unimproved
runway, I guess. I find 25 psi is just right. 50 psi seems a bit
overpressure to me.
--
Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601HDS TDO
Rotax 912UL
jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> AMD says 30 psi. ZAC says 50 psi. I split the difference and use 40 psi.
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: T. Graziano <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 9:03 am
> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure
>
> <tonyplane@bellsouth.net <mailto:tonyplane@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30
> psig. You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site.
>
> Tony Graziano
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thruster87"
> <alania@optusnet.com.au <mailto:alania@optusnet.com.au>>
> To: <zenith601-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith601-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39 PM
> Subject: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure
>
> <alania@optusnet.com.au <mailto:alania@optusnet.com.au>>
> >
> > What tire pressures are recommended for the standard Zenith issue
> Condor > tires ?? Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223493#223493
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Control Tuibes |
Peter,
Yes, Zenith says you should wait until you have your wings mounted and flaps
installed before drilling your flap tube to get it all aligned first- so I am
waiting to drill mine. David Coberly
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
I'm going to go in a complete different direction here. Sooner or
later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break. It's
one of those thing that most builders are going to need sooner or
later. It may be for fabricating parts for your panel, fire wall
forward stuff, or as in my case to remake parts you screwed up.
I don't know what your are missing besides the bell crank support, but
if doesn't look too complicated, you should think about getting a
small cheap break. A break is under $100 and will let you fabricate a
lot of parts, including the bell crank support in a few minutes. I'm
a worry wart, always thinking I'm going to miss drill a hole and
knowing I can make a new part quickly is a real stress reliever.
So, my suggestion is a couple of 2/4ft sheets of 6061-t6 from ACS and
a cheap break.
Don't forget to have fun,
Ron
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Jim Belcher wrote:
> >
>
> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote:
>> (Cant remember who posted, sorry)
>>
>> It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit,
>> before send
>> it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or
>> later.
>> In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kits and I am now about
>> half
>> way building a 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing
>> of this
>> five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or two
>> parts did
>> not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans.
>> Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kits for
>> diferent
>> airplanes, cant say the same.
>> Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the
>> world,
>> is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are
>> expensive and
>> paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing
>> shipped
>> parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to
>> explain
>> and impossible proof.
>> Saludos
>
> I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply
> isn't room to
> unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had
> hoped to
> do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just
> suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are
> there ....
> somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where.
>
> I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for
> parts in the
> packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That
> place
> should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as
> shorting me
> parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done
> anything like
> that. They seem honest, and above board.
>
> But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts
> worth a total
> $16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be
> cheaper and
> quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can
> either use
> them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same
> problem.
>
> Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large
> problem here in
> far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least
> I'm not
> paying import duties or customs fees.
> --
> =============================================
> Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
> ================================================
> Jim B. Belcher
> BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
> A&P/IA
> Instrument Rated Pilot
> General Radio Telephone Certificate
> ================================================
>
>
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