---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/08/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:08 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (Gig Giacona) 2. 07:03 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (T. Graziano) 3. 07:57 AM - Re: parts location (Jim Belcher) 4. 08:33 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (Gig Giacona) 5. 08:36 AM - Re: parts location (Gig Giacona) 6. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: parts location (JohnDRead@aol.com) 7. 09:45 AM - Re: Tire Pressure (jaybannist@cs.com) 8. 10:54 AM - AMD Notification Letter (lwinger) 9. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: parts location (Jim Belcher) 10. 11:49 AM - Re: W&B 601XL (PatrickW) 11. 11:59 AM - 601 Builders... some advice please.. (Frank Derfler) 12. 12:34 PM - Re: Tire Pressure (Thruster87) 13. 12:42 PM - Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. (Thruster87) 14. 12:50 PM - Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. (jaybannist@cs.com) 15. 03:19 PM - Flap Control Tuibes (Peter W Johnson) 16. 03:26 PM - Re: Tire Pressure (Leo Gates) 17. 03:51 PM - Re: Flap Control Tuibes (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com) 18. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: parts location (Ronald Steele) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tire Pressure From: "Gig Giacona" According to page 6 of 6-G in the construction manual 50psi. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223510#223510 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:41 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 psig. You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site. Tony Graziano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thruster87" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure > > > What tire pressures are recommended for the standard Zenith issue Condor > tires ?? Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223493#223493 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:01 AM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote: > (Cant remember who posted, sorry) > > It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit, before send > it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or later. > In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kitsand I am now about half > way buildinga 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing of this > five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or twoparts did > not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans. > Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kitsfor diferent > airplanes, cant say the same. > Here in Mexico. like for allother builder in countries around the world, > is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are expensive and > paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing shipped > parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to explain > and impossible proof. > Saludos I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply isn't room to unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had hoped to do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are there .... somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where. I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for parts in the packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That place should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as shorting me parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done anything like that. They seem honest, and above board. But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts worth a total $16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be cheaper and quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can either use them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same problem. Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large problem here in far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least I'm not paying import duties or customs fees. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tire Pressure From: "Gig Giacona" tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne wrote: > Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 psig. > You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site. > > Tony Graziano > > --- That is correct for the 4 ply tires but according to the build manual the kit comes with 6 ply tires. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223545#223545 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:54 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location From: "Gig Giacona" Well Jim, there is one guaranteed way to find the parts. Order their replacement. :) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223547#223547 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:35 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location Jim; I had a couple of instances of not being able to find parts that were checked off on the Zenith check list. I called Zenith and they sent me the parts no charge. Give it a try. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:57:35 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, z601@anemicaardvark.com writes: --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Jim Belcher On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote: > (Cant remember who posted, sorry) > > It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit, before send > it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or later. > In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kits and I am now about half > way building a 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing of this > five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or two parts did > not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans. > Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kits for diferent > airplanes, cant say the same. > Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the world, > is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are expensive and > paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing shipped > parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to explain > and impossible proof. > Saludos I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply isn't room to unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had hoped to do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are there .... somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where. I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for parts in the packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That place should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as shorting me parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done anything like that. They seem honest, and above board. But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts worth a total $16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be cheaper and quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can either use them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same problem. Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large problem here in far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least I'm not paying import duties or customs fees. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure From: jaybannist@cs.com AMD says 30 psi.? ZAC says 50 psi.? I split the difference and use 40 psi. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: T. Graziano Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 9:03 am Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure ? Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 psig. You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site.? ? Tony Graziano? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thruster87" ? Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39 PM? Subject: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure? ? > ? >? > What tire pressures are recommended for the standard Zenith issue Condor > tires ?? Thanks? >? >? >? >? > Read this topic online here:? >? > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223493#223493? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: AMD Notification Letter From: "lwinger" This just came in from Mathieu Heintz: To all, Please see the latest AMD notification letter at: http://www.newplane.com/amd/CH2000_Service.html Or direct link at: http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf It is an extended version of the recent ZAC posting. This Notification is very interesting as it raises the possibility of potential airworthness problems if the aircraft controls are not secured when the aircraft is parked in high winds. Regards Mathieu Heintz -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair Control surfaces and wings complete Fuselage 85% complete www.mykitlog.com/lwinger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223571#223571 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:16 AM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location On Thursday 08 January 2009 10:36, Gig Giacona wrote: > > Well Jim, there is one guaranteed way to find the parts. Order their > replacement. :) It works that way at your house too? -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: W&B 601XL From: "PatrickW" alex_001 wrote: > have a look Thanks for sharing those, Alex. - Pat -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223581#223581 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:10 AM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith601-List: 601 Builders... some advice please.. Okay 601 builders, would you please throw a lifeline to this poor 601 pilot who has never pulled a rivet in his life. I fly an AMD-Made 601XL that is over two years old and has about 200 trouble-free hours. This notification letter from AMD, http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf says that somebody, I guess an A&P in my case, should install "gussets" on each aileron. My quite uninformed question is... does this mean that someone (my A&P) has to tear each aileron apart, fabricate the plates from aluminum of the designated quality, rivet them in, and then return the skin to its previous pristine form? - Will the skin fit? - How difficult is this in terms of "hours" an A&P might charge? - What other questions should I ask? I don't know what I do not know., -- Frank Derfler, Islamorada, FL -- Twitter! Follow me at http://Twitter.com/Fderfler See my new Novel, "A Glint in Time" at http://GreatGuyBooks.com. See my discussion of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at http://mostlyflying.com Anybody who READS (anybody out there?) See www.greatguybooks.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tire Pressure From: "Thruster87" Thank you all .I friend runs his Cessna 150 at 30psi nose and 28psi mains. So 30psi should be in the ball park Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223592#223592 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: 601 Builders... some advice please.. From: "Thruster87" I just did that mode [very quick and easy as you only need to remove a few rivets around both areas]and it took about a 1 hrs work.Keeping in mind I'm still in the building process and the aileron was not painted or installed. Cheers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223595#223595 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601 Builders... some advice please.. From: jaybannist@cs.com Frank, I look at this notification as an "either - or" type thing.? Either you do the reinforcing or you properly secure the control surfaces when the airplane is tied down outside.? With gust locks of some sort on the control surfaces, the reinforcing does nothing but add weigh and/or make you feel good. It is like having a reinforced lockbox inside a locked safe; or "belt and suspenders".? The reinforcing might do some good if the gust locks fail; but from looking at those photos, I sincerely doubt that the reinforcing would have prevented that damage. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Frank Derfler Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 1:56 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: 601 Builders... some advice please.. Okay 601 builders, would you please throw a lifeline to this poor 601 pilot who has never pulled a rivet in his life. ?I fly an AMD-Made 601XL that is over two years old and has about 200 trouble-free hours. This notification letter from AMD, ?http://www.newplane.com/amd/../Service_Letters_Bulletines/NOTICE%20January%207%202009.pdf ?? says that somebody, I guess an A&P in my case, ?should install "gussets" on each aileron. ? My quite uninformed question is... does this mean that someone (my A&P) has to tear each aileron apart, fabricate the plates from aluminum of the designated quality, rivet them in, and then return the skin to its previous pristine form? ? - Will the skin fit? - How difficult is this in terms of "hours" an A&P might charge? ? - What other questions should I ask? ?I don't know what I do not know.,? -- Frank Derfler, ?Islamorada, FL? ? -- Twitter! Follow me at http://Twitter.com/Fderfler See my new Novel, "A Glint in Time" at http://GreatGuyBooks.com. See my discussion of ?All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at http://mostlyflying.com ? Anybody who READS (anybody out there?) See www.greatguybooks.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:23 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: Zenith601-List: Flap Control Tuibes Hi Guys, I am presently fitting the flap motor and control tubes. What is the angle of the flap control tube (6B19-1 and 2) relative to the flap control arm (6B19-3)? I need to drill the holes for the bolts that hold all three pieces together. I don't have the wings built yet so is it worth waiting until the wings and flaps are in place before drilling anything? Cheers Peter 601 XL Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:02 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure Jay, ZAC says air to 2/3 rim above ground for the HD and HDS. (2/3 tire rim distance to outside of tire) Of course that is 1200 lb gross vs 1320 for the XL. On my HDS I found 2/3 to be 18 psi. OK for unimproved runway, I guess. I find 25 psi is just right. 50 psi seems a bit overpressure to me. -- Leo Gates N601Z - CH601HDS TDO Rotax 912UL jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > AMD says 30 psi. ZAC says 50 psi. I split the difference and use 40 psi. > > Jay in Dallas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Graziano > To: zenith601-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 9:03 am > Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure > > > > > Per the AMD Zodiac 601XL POH for 500x5 4 ply tires the T.P. is 30 > psig. You can get the AMD XL POH on the Zenith web site. > > Tony Graziano > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thruster87" > > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39 PM > Subject: Zenith601-List: Tire Pressure > > > > > > > What tire pressures are recommended for the standard Zenith issue > Condor > tires ?? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223493#223493 > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:46 PM PST US From: Davcoberly@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Flap Control Tuibes Peter, Yes, Zenith says you should wait until you have your wings mounted and flaps installed before drilling your flap tube to get it all aligned first- so I am waiting to drill mine. David Coberly ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:45 PM PST US From: Ronald Steele Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location I'm going to go in a complete different direction here. Sooner or later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break. It's one of those thing that most builders are going to need sooner or later. It may be for fabricating parts for your panel, fire wall forward stuff, or as in my case to remake parts you screwed up. I don't know what your are missing besides the bell crank support, but if doesn't look too complicated, you should think about getting a small cheap break. A break is under $100 and will let you fabricate a lot of parts, including the bell crank support in a few minutes. I'm a worry wart, always thinking I'm going to miss drill a hole and knowing I can make a new part quickly is a real stress reliever. So, my suggestion is a couple of 2/4ft sheets of 6061-t6 from ACS and a cheap break. Don't forget to have fun, Ron DO NOT ARCHIVE On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Jim Belcher wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote: >> (Cant remember who posted, sorry) >> >> It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit, >> before send >> it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or >> later. >> In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kits and I am now about >> half >> way building a 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing >> of this >> five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or two >> parts did >> not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans. >> Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kits for >> diferent >> airplanes, cant say the same. >> Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the >> world, >> is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are >> expensive and >> paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing >> shipped >> parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to >> explain >> and impossible proof. >> Saludos > > I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply > isn't room to > unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had > hoped to > do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just > suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are > there .... > somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where. > > I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for > parts in the > packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That > place > should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as > shorting me > parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done > anything like > that. They seem honest, and above board. > > But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts > worth a total > $16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be > cheaper and > quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can > either use > them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same > problem. > > Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large > problem here in > far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least > I'm not > paying import duties or customs fees. > -- > ============================================= > Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. > ================================================ > Jim B. Belcher > BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science > A&P/IA > Instrument Rated Pilot > General Radio Telephone Certificate > ================================================ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.