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1. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: parts location (Jim Belcher)
2. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: parts location (Terry Phillips)
3. 02:46 PM - Re: parts location (PatrickW)
4. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: parts location (Jim Belcher)
5. 03:16 PM - Re: Was parts location (jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 05:47 PM - In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Walter Carey)
7. 06:17 PM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 06:33 PM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Jay Maynard)
9. 06:46 PM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (jaybannist@cs.com)
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
On Thursday 08 January 2009 18:37, Ronald Steele wrote:
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> I'm going to go in a complete different direction here. Sooner or
> later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break. It's
> one of those thing that most builders are going to need sooner or
> later. It may be for fabricating parts for your panel, fire wall
> forward stuff, or as in my case to remake parts you screwed up.
>
> I don't know what your are missing besides the bell crank support, but
> if doesn't look too complicated, you should think about getting a
> small cheap break. A break is under $100 and will let you fabricate a
> lot of parts, including the bell crank support in a few minutes. I'm
> a worry wart, always thinking I'm going to miss drill a hole and
> knowing I can make a new part quickly is a real stress reliever.
>
> So, my suggestion is a couple of 2/4ft sheets of 6061-t6 from ACS and
> a cheap break.
This is one of those coincidences that's somewhat amusing, Ron. I've had a
small ~4' sheet metal brake for over a year, just for this reason. And, by
chance, I'd ordered a couple of sheets of aluminum from Aircraft Spruce
yesterday.
Had I been thinking clearly (which I obviously wasn't), I'd also have ordered
some 1/8" aluminum to do the bellcrank supports. This whole thing is coming
at a time that I'm getting over a sequence of colds, so I'm focusing more on
getting ready than actual fabrication.
I, too, am something of a worry wart, although I prefer to think of it as
planning ahead. Obviously, I think your advice is good. :-)
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
Hi Jim
I think that your attitude is right on Re fab'ing your own bell crank
supports. However, I'm afraid that your brake won't do you any good,
because there is nothing to bend. The supports, 6W6-11, are made from 1" x
1.5" x .125" 6061-T6 angle extrusion. All you need to do is to buy the
extrusion, and then cut it to length then cut the corners off. Regarding
finding the parts, the parts in the kit are just two pieces of the angle
extrusion, cut to 55-mm length. They won't look like the drawing in 6W6
until you cut the corners off and drill the holes.
Good luck with your build.
Terry
At 09:19 AM 1/9/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>This is one of those coincidences that's somewhat amusing, Ron. I've had a
>small ~4' sheet metal brake for over a year, just for this reason. And, by
>chance, I'd ordered a couple of sheets of aluminum from Aircraft Spruce
>yesterday.
>
>Had I been thinking clearly (which I obviously wasn't), I'd also have ordered
>some 1/8" aluminum to do the bellcrank supports. This whole thing is coming
>at a time that I'm getting over a sequence of colds, so I'm focusing more on
>getting ready than actual fabrication.
>
>I, too, am something of a worry wart, although I prefer to think of it as
>planning ahead. Obviously, I think your advice is good. :-)
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
rsteele(at)rjsit.com wrote:
> Sooner or later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break.
I think a lot of us who started as kit builders ended up as scratch builders...
- Pat
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| Subject: | Re: parts location |
On Friday 09 January 2009 15:00, Terry Phillips wrote:
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> Hi Jim
>
> I think that your attitude is right on Re fab'ing your own bell crank
> supports. However, I'm afraid that your brake won't do you any good,
> because there is nothing to bend. The supports, 6W6-11, are made from 1" x
> 1.5" x .125" 6061-T6 angle extrusion. All you need to do is to buy the
> extrusion, and then cut it to length then cut the corners off. Regarding
> finding the parts, the parts in the kit are just two pieces of the angle
> extrusion, cut to 55-mm length. They won't look like the drawing in 6W6
> until you cut the corners off and drill the holes.
Actually, that might have been easier for me to do than a brake job. I hate
standoff distances, etc with a passion. I can calculate them, but I just
don't have the flair to get them to turn out on first try, and usually waste
a fair amount of aluminum. I can't claim lack of experience - I think the
first time I used a brake was around 1965.
The fact that I didn't notice that they were cut from extrusion is further
evidence I'm not feeling all that well. It's a good thing I didn't start to
fab them!
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Jim B. Belcher
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A&P/IA
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| Subject: | Re: Was parts location |
Our Zenith kits are airframe kits, not airplane kits.? While airframe building,
you are going to mess up somewhere (at least I did) and need to fabricate a
part or two on your own.? I have never owned a bending brake, but managed to make
a few parts anyway.? Either that or you take the "easy way out" and order
another part.? Most of us are not "easy way out" guys and are somewhat impatient;
so we get on with it and do some fabrication.
Once the airframe is complete, though, it is ALL scratch building.? That's where
the airplane part comes in. Going from airframe to airplane is the most challenging
and rewarding, because you are basically on your own.? Sure you get advise
from EAA chapter friends and this forum, but you still have to decide what
advise to accept or not or how.? As Pat said, if we are going to wind up with
an airplane, we WILL become scratch builders.
What a great endeavor !!
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
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From: PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 4:45 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location
rsteele(at)rjsit.com wrote:
> Sooner or later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break.
I think a lot of us who started as kit builders ended up as scratch builders...
- Pat
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N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
Hi everyone. While browsing the NTSB website today, I saw an accident repor
t (see below) that might be of interest to all aircraft owners that have-
front hinged canopies on the airplanes. This matter was discussed on this s
ite a few months ago and-and there were several suggestion for devices th
at would either lock the canopy down, or prevent it from opening in flight
more than a few inches. It appears that the-shape of the canopy is acting
as a lifting devise (like the wing), causing it to lift into the windstrea
m, resulting in-unacceptable drag and subsequent control problems.-A si
mple locking devide or restraining cable will alleviate this potential prob
lem. Walt in Dayton.---
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NTSB Identification: WPR09LA075
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, January 06, 2009 in Casa Grande, AZ
Aircraft: Czech Aircraft Works Sport Cruiser, registration: N797BS
Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors.
Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been
completed.
On January 6, 2009, at 1600 mountain standard time, a Czech Aircraft Works
Sport Cruiser, N797BS, made an emergency off field landing after the cockpi
t canopy popped opened in flight at Casa Grande Municipal Airport, Casa Gra
nde, Arizona. The sport pilot operated the airplane under the provisions of
Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations, Part 91. The pilot was not injured,
and the airplane was substantially damaged. Visual meteorological condition
s prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed. The flight originated at Ca
sa Grande about 1600.
The pilot reported to the Safety Board investigator that the canopy popped
open shortly after takeoff, around 500 feet agl. The canopy is hinged in fr
ont of the cockpit and rotates upward when open. The pilot said he tried to
keep the canopy closed with his free hand but the canopy continued to rise
higher and higher. The pilot turned back to the airport and made an off fi
eld landing next to the airport wind sock.
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End of report.
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
Walter,
I had the same thing happen in an AMD 601XLi, except that we were at cruise speed,
about 1500' AGL.? The nose went down 60 deg.? I was able to break the dive,
but could never get the nose up to level.? We hit the ground about 10 deg nose
down.? When I was able to work again on my XL, the first thing I did was to
install a canopy safety tether.? Drawing attached.
?The accident airplane had the new 650 style canopy latch.? My airplane has the
old style latches.
Jay in Dallas
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From: Walter Carey <careywf@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 7:47 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy
Hi everyone. While browsing the NTSB website today, I saw an accident report (see
below) that might be of interest to all aircraft owners that have?front hinged
canopies on the airplanes. This matter was discussed on this site a few months
ago and?and there were several suggestion for devices that would either lock
the canopy down, or prevent it from opening in flight more than a few inches.
It appears that the?shape of the canopy is acting as a lifting devise (like
the wing), causing it to lift into the windstream, resulting in?unacceptable
drag and subsequent control problems.?A simple locking devide or restraining
cable will alleviate this potential problem. Walt in Dayton.???
?
?
?
?
NTSB Identification: WPR09LA075
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, January 06, 2009 in Casa Grande, AZ
Aircraft: Czech Aircraft Works Sport Cruiser, registration: N797BS
Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any
errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On January 6, 2009, at 1600 mountain standard time, a Czech Aircraft Works Sport
Cruiser, N797BS, made an emergency off field landing after the cockpit canopy
popped opened in flight at Casa Grande Municipal Airport, Casa Grande, Arizona.
The sport pilot operated the airplane under the provisions of Title 14 Code
of Federal Regulations, Part 91. The pilot was not injured, and the airplane
was substantially damaged. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no
flight plan had been filed. The flight originated at Casa Grande about 1600.
The pilot reported to the Safety Board investigator that the canopy popped open
shortly after takeoff, around 500 feet agl. The canopy is hinged in front of
the cockpit and rotates upward when open. The pilot said he tried to keep
the canopy closed with his free hand but the canopy continued to rise higher and
higher. The pilot turned back to the airport and made an off field landing
next to the airport wind sock.
?
End of report.
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:15:18PM -0500, jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> When I was able to work again on my XL,
How are you doing these days, anyway?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
Jay,
I am walking nearly normally, but the foot and ankle are still a little swollen
and painful at times.? The ribs only bother me at night.? My eye damage is still
troublesome and might not return to normal.? I'd say that I'm about 95% and
doing about whatever I want to do.
Thanks for asking - Jay B.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:15:18PM -0500, jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> When I was able to work again on my XL,
How are you doing these days, anyway?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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