---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/11/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:57 AM - canopy construction sequence (chris Sinfield) 2. 07:31 AM - Re: canopy construction sequence (Sabrina) 3. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Jim Belcher) 4. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. (Bill Naumuk) 5. 10:45 AM - This list (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 6. 11:02 AM - Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 7. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: parts location () 8. 12:06 PM - Re: canopy construction sequence (Sabrina) 9. 12:26 PM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. () 10. 01:39 PM - Re: canopy construction sequence (chris Sinfield) 11. 04:34 PM - Re: canopy construction sequence (leinad) 12. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 13. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 14. 06:04 PM - Some videos of us flying (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 15. 08:15 PM - Re: canopy construction sequence (Thruster87) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: canopy construction sequence From: "chris Sinfield" Hi all finished my Christmas house building and now back into XL plane building. I started on the canopy (old one not 650) and now up to the 6-C-3 section but that appears to be ahead and shows mostly finished pictures. Should I be using 6-C-3a,b,c,d before plain just 6-C-3?? Chris. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224010#224010 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: canopy construction sequence From: "Sabrina" Yes... and page 1 of 12 of 6-C-3A is very important. If you move the canopy more forward than 190mm you can gain some head room, but then you have to shorten the 9416K12 gas spring struts so the canopy does not hit up against 6C1-4 when fully open. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224035#224035 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:24 AM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy On Saturday 10 January 2009 19:40, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Bryan, > > Monday morning quarterbacking is great!? At about pattern altitude, canopy > pops fully open, nose goes down 60+ degrees, 100 mph & increasing, headset > ripped off your head, cruise power,.? What would you do? Jay, I sympathize. Having totaled an aircraft in the 1970s, I can look back and see what I could have done differently. Whether any other options were open to you guys, you would know better than I. At the time, though, I did the best I could. I'm sure you guys did the same. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:13 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. Gary- I totally agree with you- you want to keep the parts you have rather than jettison them. I don't think there's a pilot out there who hasn't had an oil hatch or door open in flight, and let's face it, there are a couple of seconds when you're trying to assess the situation. If your first instinct is to hit the "Jettison" button there'd be a lot of planes flying around with missing parts. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:45 AM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. Hello Sabrina, I consider that ejectable canopy is a bad idea, I will try to explain it as short as possible, The ejected canopy can hit and serious damage, or destroy the Rudder! Even that is plexiglass, has lots of metal parts in the structure. Lets remember what happened to the door that opened/loosed in a 701 recently. The airplane almost loosed the stabilator... All airplanes needs the empenage to keep them flying... At least the ZAC ones, I know Rogalos and Paraglaiders dont :-) :-) One thing I consider very important is Check List(s) in all airplanes, (I remember) from simple Hang Gliders (Are you hooked?), to the Space Shuttle pilots, WE MUST go though all of them, not just by memory. My Instructor was very Serious about this! (and with everything he teached me). In all airplanes that have canopies, doors, windows that can open (C-152 for example), baggage compartment lids, etc. A very important point is that the pilot in command (Us) make sure that they are ALL perfectly closed before take off... In my 701, everytime I have a passenger I double check that his seat belt is buckled and adjusted and the door latch is completly closed. I plan to do the same every take off with the 601 XL's canopy latch... (hope this year). Just my personal point of view. Saludos Gary Gower. A Old Pilot friend of mine told me when I just had my Pilot Licence: "Fly every time the same as if your Instructor was in your right seat". --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Sabrina wrote: From: Sabrina Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:37 PM Paul, all... What do you think about an XL canopy that can be ejected? Is it needed? The mod costs less than $40 (two MS17985-414 quick release pins and one foot of 4130 square tubing) but the pair of goggles needed, just in case, cost about $30 each for a total of $100 and 14 ounces of added weight, total. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223955#223955 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:18 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith601-List: This list I just wanted to post here. Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) _www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/) Do not archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:27 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open canopy accident Larry, I really wasn't trying to throw stones at Jay I was simply trying to inform folks that the 601 can be flown with the Canopy open and not to freak out if it happens and pics don't lie. So if Jay or you think I was somehow directing it directly at them so be it. I just know that if anyone brings up that it can be flown with it open Jay gets upset so why comment on it? I to am glad he didn't get hurt and walked away and it is true that the 601 in the pic's wasn't a AMD and it didn't have a 0-200 and it had different color paint but I still stand behind what I said and that is that if the aircraft wasn't over gross and was within proper CG it should have been stable with the canopy open provide the plane didn't get too slow. I'm not even gonna comment on your rudeness though Mr. Hursh Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) _www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/) Do not archive Mr Garrett, What you don't seem to understand is that Jay has possibly posted to the wrong forum. I believe he is posting to a response from the Zenith 601 forum, correct Jay? (Isn't that the forum you are banned from Mr Garrett?) Either way, I found your reply to Jay as being very crass and without any compassion. You wasn't there so you have NO CLUE as to what to do or what should have been done differently. Each and every circumstance is different. Sure the POH can give you a possible corrective course of action, but NOTHING is for certain and since you wasn't there, you have no idea as to what you should do or what you would have done differently. Why is it that you seemed to want to chastise Jay for mentioning it? All I can say to end this mess is THANK GOD Jay and his CFI II was able to get the plane on the ground. I'll leave you with this one final thought Mr Garrett - My father used to tell me, "If you can't say anything nice to someone, it's just best to keep your mo! uth SHUT and your eyes and ears OPEN. You learn more that way". :) -------- Larry Hursh (N650LM Reserved) CH650 (Converted from CH601XL) Starting fuselage will be Corvair Powered **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:13 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location Harbor Freight's aviation department sells a cheap, 30-inch brake that bolts to a table for about $30. I've made and re-made more parts on it than I want to admit to. Paul Rodriguez ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald Steele To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: parts location > I'm going to go in a complete different direction here. Sooner or later you are going to end up with a sheet metal bending break. It's one of those thing that most builders are going to need sooner or later. It may be for fabricating parts for your panel, fire wall forward stuff, or as in my case to remake parts you screwed up. I don't know what your are missing besides the bell crank support, but if doesn't look too complicated, you should think about getting a small cheap break. A break is under $100 and will let you fabricate a lot of parts, including the bell crank support in a few minutes. I'm a worry wart, always thinking I'm going to miss drill a hole and knowing I can make a new part quickly is a real stress reliever. So, my suggestion is a couple of 2/4ft sheets of 6061-t6 from ACS and a cheap break. Don't forget to have fun, Ron DO NOT ARCHIVE On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Jim Belcher wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 07 January 2009 23:02, Gary Gower wrote: >> (Cant remember who posted, sorry) >> >> It is important to double check all the packing with your Kit, >> before send >> it to the garbage... I am shure you will find everything sooner or >> later. >> In our city we have already built 4 CH 701 kits and I am now about >> half >> way building a 601 XL kit and I can say with truth, that nothing >> of this >> five kits parts were missing, not even a washer. Just one or two >> parts did >> not had the paper label, but where easy to identify with the plans. >> Just our personal experience, some other local builder of kits for >> diferent >> airplanes, cant say the same. >> Here in Mexico. like for all other builder in countries around the >> world, >> is very important, because the shipping and import taxes are >> expensive and >> paperwork is HUGE. No Custom Agent will accept that the missing >> shipped >> parts (sent later) have already paid their share, to dificult to >> explain >> and impossible proof. >> Saludos > > I've gone through the packing as I disposed of it. There simply > isn't room to > unpack everything and inventory it at the start, which is what I had > hoped to > do. I've gone through it several times, and checked the locations just > suggested by others on the list. I don't doubt the parts are > there .... > somewhere. The problem is, I don't know where. > > I would fault Zenith for not having a standardized location for > parts in the > packing, so that one always looks for things in the same place. That > place > should be on the inventory list they create, IMHO. But as far as > shorting me > parts, I have no reason at present to suggest Zenith has done > anything like > that. They seem honest, and above board. > > But in my case, I've already spent 2+ hours looking for 4 parts > worth a total > $16. For me, I can't imagine a scenario in which it wouldn't be > cheaper and > quicker to replace the parts. When the others turn up later, I can > either use > them on the next project, or offer them to someone else with the same > problem. > > Shipping by anything other than FEDEX, UPS, or USPS is a large > problem here in > far west Texas. It's 150 miles to a freight dock. However, at least > I'm not > paying import duties or customs fees. > -- > ==================== > Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. > ======================= > Jim B. Belcher > BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science > A&P/IA > Instrument Rated Pilot > General Radio Telephone Certificate > ======================= > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: canopy construction sequence From: "Sabrina" Building the Canopy... A problem I noticed in mid-2006... How do people feel about page 12 of 12 in 6-C-3A where it tells you to grind a slot in the 7/8" .058 4130 tube? Can anyone find in their version of the PLANS where this slot is mentioned? 6-C-2 I did not do it, I thought it would take away from any roll over protection. The .009 of clearance was enough. 3/4 OD tube inside a 7/8 4130 tube with .058 walls. Comments? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224085#224085 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. Gentlemen, sometimes reductio ad absurdam really does get to the heart of the matter: 1: Canopy came open. 2: Aircraft was not reduced to rubble. 3: Occupants walked away. 4: Nobody unhappy with item 3. and, 5: We learned it can be done. 'nuff said. If some guy flying through severe turbulence hits a bird, which trashes his canopy, goes into a spin, loses his prop to over speed, , regains control in time to clip a high tension wire, which rips off his rudder, slashes through a tree, locks up his brakes blows both tires, and stops 6 inches away from a station wagon full of nuns, I ain't gonna tell him he should have done such-and-such! Nothing outweighs the phrase, "I(we) made it!" Paul Rodriguez ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. Hello Jay M. Just a very short comment: You are right, Jay B and Pilot did the best thing, they managed to land and are alive... One thing very important for ALL of us is to try to keep calm in any type of personal emergency situation... if Fear and Desparation are winning, Clear Mind is loosing... Easy to say but hard to do in "that" moment. Jay B. Thank you very much for your experience, hope all of us learn something from this list that can help us in the future to come. Saludos Gary Gower I remeber an old local saying with motorcycles: "Only the ones that dont ride, will not fall..." (translated from Spanish). Keep safe, but not too much to not enjoy life... :-) --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Jay Maynard wrote: From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:52 PM On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 08:40:38PM -0500, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Monday morning quarterbacking is great!? At about pattern altitude, canopy > pops fully open, nose goes down 60+ degrees, 100 mph & increasing, headset > ripped off your head, cruise power,.? What would you do? *sigh* People, we need to remember, when disucssing these things, that people we know and consider friends have been right in the middle of the kinds of failures we're discussing, and refrain from casting aspersions on the abilities of folks who have been there and done that. We can and should learn from others' experiences...but we should not say we'd have done things differently in the heat of the moment - because there's just no way to know. Sometimes, what the book says we should do and what we think we will do as we're sitting in front of the computer don't correspond to what we actually wind up doing when the canopy comes open. As for me, I make certain to double check the security of the (in my case, new-style) canopy latch on both sides before taxi, and again before takeoff, as a result of Jay's accident. I've also given careful consideration to how I'll handle that occurrence. Even so, I'm not going to sit here and say that he screwed up. I suggest none of us are the position to do so. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) 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Chris Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224096#224096 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:02 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: canopy construction sequence From: "leinad" When I started building my canopy I wasn't aware that the slots were allowed. When adjusting the final length of the rear hoop I got quite frustrated with how hard it was to move the aluminum hoop in the steel tubing of the canopy frame. Just about then I found Zenith was recommending the slot. If for nothing else it makes assembly, disassembly and adjustment many time easier. I don't think it had much (if any) a negative impact on the structural integrity. Here's a link to a photo detail of the slot. http://daniel.dempseyfamily.us/zodiac/canopy/pilotside.htm Dan Dempsey Sabrina wrote: > Building the Canopy... > > A problem I noticed in mid-2006... > > How do people feel about page 12 of 12 in 6-C-3A where it tells you to grind a slot in the 7/8" .058 4130N tube? > > Can anyone find in their version of the PLANS where this slot is mentioned? 6-C-2 > > I did not do it, I thought it would take away from any roll over protection. The .009 of clearance was enough. 3/4 OD tube inside a 7/8 4130N tube with .058 walls. > > Comments? -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224118#224118 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:01 PM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy Do you have any information about where the canopy will go when released? Does it hit the rudder, ect? Jerry of Ga DO NOT ARCHIVE In a message dated 1/10/2009 8:38:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chicago2paris@msn.com writes: --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Sabrina" Paul, all... What do you think about an XL canopy that can be ejected? Is it needed? The mod costs less than $40 (two MS17985-414 quick release pins and one foot of 4130 square tubing) but the pair of goggles needed, just in case, cost about $30 each for a total of $100 and 14 ounces of added weight, total. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223955#223955 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:33 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy I'm not sure this would work. what effect do you think the turtle deck opening might have as far as drag or would you just cover up the opening? I would be to afraid it would smack the rudder and then you might be even worse off. I think a better solution would be a ejection seat then you would go straight thru the canopy. BTW that last part was a joke Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 85 Hrs think it's right this time _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) _www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/) Do not archive Paul, all... What do you think about an XL canopy that can be ejected? Is it needed? The mod costs less than $40 (two MS17985-414 quick release pins and one foot of 4130 square tubing) but the pair of goggles needed, just in case, cost about $30 each for a total of $100 and 14 ounces of added weight, total. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:08 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith601-List: Some videos of us flying After switching from the front starter kit to the Aerolite rear system we flew from Louisville Ky to spend the night with Bill Clapp then on to Englewood Fl. The flight was great. Here are the #'s Voltage was 14 volts steady Oil pressure was steady 40 lbs Cht's were 125-130 steady and 200-225 climb Egt 1050 steady Oil temp 60 degrees OAT were 255 before the cooler and 190-200 after cooler (with my new fiberglass baffles installed but had some air loss so should see 10 degree drop after sealing.) Here are some youtube links _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx2nalW9gs_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx2nalW9gs) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4fF0uTuxQ_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4fF0uTuxQ) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbz-AK3YU0_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbz-AK3YU0) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPnUcicz7k_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPnUcicz7k) Jeff Garrett Louisville Ky. 601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90% 601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs 601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs _www.aeroliteproducts.com_ (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/) _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com/) _www.aerolite.camstreams.com_ (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/) Do not archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: canopy construction sequence From: "Thruster87" These slots were already cut on my kit [bought 12 mths ago]which made it easy to adjust the bow. If you had to rely on it for roll over protection I think you would come out second best.I made a gusset which spans the two turtle deck bows at the bottom and it is very sturdy now.Cheers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224157#224157 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.