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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (K Dilks)
2. 03:29 AM - Re: N601JD First Flight (sdthatcher)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: Some videos of us flying (sdthatcher)
4. 04:55 AM - In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Frank Derfler)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Some videos of us flying (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
6. 08:23 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (stepinwolf)
7. 09:52 AM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Gary Gower)
8. 10:49 AM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy (Jim Belcher)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (chuck_maggart)
10. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (David Downey)
11. 02:13 PM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. BRS Comment (PatrickW)
12. 02:46 PM - Re: Canopy and Cold Weather (shipping) ? (PatrickW)
13. 03:43 PM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Bill Naumuk)
14. 05:09 PM - Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. BRS Comment (Gig Giacona)
15. 05:10 PM - Re: Canopy and Cold Weather (shipping) ? (Gig Giacona)
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Although I have only done the tail feathers, I am well happy with the ZAC supplied
gun , smooth and quiet.
Run 2.5 bar for A4 and 3.2 bar for the A5 rivets, through the compressors regulator.
Cheers
kev :)
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| Subject: | Re: N601JD First Flight |
I really enjoyed the enthusiasm of your family when you landed. It was a great
video and that airport at Spruce Pine looks great. I have my plane over in Andrews,
NC. Hope to see you some time.
And Jay sure is good at noticing the not so obvious (runway departure and approach).
He'd be a great detective. I missed that runway thing completely!
johnd(at)data-tech.com wrote:
> N601JD my 601XL with a Jabiru 3300 took to the air for the first time
> last Friday at Avery County Airport (7A8) in Spruce Pine, NC. Its a
> quickbuild kit that I started in April 07.
>
> The obligatory Youtube video is at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVt40B5dLc. Its short and a bit shaky so
> be careful if you get motion sickness :-)
>
> The flight went well with only a couple of minor squawks:
> 1. Need to add a stop to the throttle @ low RPMS to prevent the engine
> from stopping when the throttle is pulled too far back to idle. The US
> Jabiru guys recommend a small cable stop added to the throttle cable at
> the carb to prevent this.
> 2. Aileron trim is wired backwards, Oops, didn't notice a real need for
> the aileron trim though
> 3. Experiment with my Sensenich Ground adjustable prop and also
> re-jetting the Bing carb to maximize performance. CHTs and EGTs looked
> good though, perhaps I wont have to spend too much time messing with
> cooling issues.
>
> Woo hoo, now only 38 more hours till the end of Phase 1...
>
> If only I had remembered to turn on my in cockpit video recorder, I'll
> do that next time...once the darned weather clears up again.
>
> Thanks to all the list members who helped with questions during the
> build process.
>
> Thanks,
> John Davis
> Burnsville, NC
> N601JD - 601XL/Jab 3300
> Now Flying!!!!
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601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | Re: Some videos of us flying |
Enjoyed the videos and specs during flight. I made my flight from West Palm Beach
to NC so was about the same distance. How long did you take to complete the
trip? The Corvair sounded great, even if it wasn't my friend William's. I
noticed that your tach read 2700? Since I flew pretty much at the same tach
setting, I was wondering at what speed you were generally flying?
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[quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]After switching from the front starter kit to the
Aerolite rear system we flew from Louisville Ky to spend the night with Bill
Clapp then on to Englewood Fl. The flight was great.
Here are the #'s
Voltage was 14 volts steady
Oil pressure was steady 40 lbs
Cht's were 125-130 steady and 200-225 climb
Egt 1050 steady
Oil temp 60 degrees OAT were 255 before the cooler and 190-200 after cooler (with
my new fiberglass baffles installed but had some air loss so should see
10 degree drop after sealing.)
Here are some youtube links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx2nalW9gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx2nalW9gs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4fF0uTuxQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4fF0uTuxQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbz-AK3YU0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbz-AK3YU0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPnUcicz7k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPnUcicz7k)
Jeff Garrett
Louisville Ky.
601XL N962T Aerolite Corvair 90%
601XL N524B Aerolite Corvair 155 Hrs
601XL N2257 Aerolite Corvair 225 Hrs
www.aeroliteproducts.com (http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/)
www.project601xl.com (http://www.project601xl.com/)
www.aerolite.camstreams.com (http://www.aerolite.camstreams.com/)
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N601EL, EAA203 25 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
Sabrina -
Thanks for your observation that the factory demo has flex hinges. That is
important to note.
Regarding your "easily removable" canopy, I'm surprised no one has injected
the idea of its value in a water landing. Since I fly over water 90% of the
time it entered my head. At one time my personal POH included popping the
latch before attempting an emergency water landing. But, I later re-wrote
that when I discussed the noise, the change of attitude, and the distraction
with a guy who regularly opened the 601 canopy as a simulated emergency
condition. (THAT part of my personal POH says, "As Slow As You Can Go")
So now my emergency water landing procedure says get the canopy open first
thing. But, depending on the attitude, that could be challenging.
I submit that being able to jettison the canopy quickly after an emergency
landing could be a good thing. On the other hand, the whole canopy ejection
and bailing out with a seatpack chute on strikes me as ummm... less
valuable. (Yes, I know the Skycatcher guy did it and I do not know how!)
Sabrina, thanks for your great ideas. Quantum physics, eh? Be prepared for
lots of Heisenberg jokes.
Frank Derfler
AMD-made 601XL with 160 hours
Marathon in the Florida Keys
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| Subject: | Re: Some videos of us flying |
Scott
We had a 20 knot head wind the whole way but at 2700 we average 132 to 135
MPH prop pitch at 10.5 degrees and timing set at 28 degrees points and 30
degrees electronic we flew for about 6.5 hours but some of the flight was at 2500
rpm's to let the oil cool from the long climb at gross (wanted to play it
safe with the new engine). As you know the rear starter is new but we now have
over 200 combined hrs on it on 3 different aircraft 1 of which is Bill Clapps
KR with almost 100 hrs on it so I still had a bit of a pucker factor for the
first leg of the flight but wanted as much distance from the ground as I
could get and 7500 is where we cruised. The last leg of the flight was at 2500
and if I did it again today I would have no problem flying at 1500 to have more
fun.
Jeff
Enjoyed the videos and specs during flight. I made my flight from West Palm
Beach to NC so was about the same distance. How long did you take to
complete the trip? The Corvair sounded great, even if it wasn't my friend
William's. I noticed that your tach read 2700? Since I flew pretty much at the
same
tach setting, I was wondering at what speed you were generally flying?
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
A big thank you to all who responded to my call for help.
Yesterday evening I was able to find, and correct the problem with my rivet gun.
As was mentioned in a previous response, the defect was with the large O-ring
on the piston at the top of the handle. it has an O-ring at the rear to seal
the oil, and both guns had O-rings that were dried out and hardened.
This is why the gun was quitting after a dozen or so rivets, because the oil was
leaking pass the O-ring into the stem catcher. Now it is working great, with
no oil leaks.
There was however one casualty in all this and that is my second gun. While I
was rebuilding the first one on the bench I casually pulled the trigger to check
how far back the piston was pulling, and when it evacuated the air from the
lower canister, it blow the spring from my second gun off the bench, and was
never to be seen again.
Bob the 701 & 750 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
Hello Frank,
-
That is a good point,- I personally avoid flying over the lake(s) or over
the sea farther from gliding distance of the shore, or over towns or citie
s.
-
When emergency landing on water there is a big chance to end with the airpl
ane wheels up (mainly landing gear drag on the water or other causes),,,-
in this case opening the canopy will be almost impossible.-- How to pu
sh the area of the cabin against the resistance of the water?.
-
Where do you fly?-Why so much- time over water?
-
in normal flying-person with-no ocean or gulf crossing, -the chances
of flying over water (outside gliding distance), and that the engine will f
ail in that precise time, are very low statitically,- This to justify-t
o have a cabin eject mechanism that can accidentally be pulled by a passeng
er.- We all give Young Eagles flights, and kids are kids...
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala Lake, Mexico. (over the dry side :-)
"What is not installed, will not fail"
--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Frank Derfler <fderfler@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Frank Derfler <fderfler@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy
Sabrina --
Thanks for your observation that the factory demo has flex hinges. -That
is important to note. -
Regarding your "easily removable" canopy, I'm surprised no one has injected
the idea of its value in a water landing. -Since I fly over water 90% of
the time it entered my head. -At one time my personal POH included poppi
ng the latch before attempting an emergency water landing. - But, I later
re-wrote that when I discussed the noise, the change of attitude, and the
distraction with a guy who regularly opened the 601 canopy as a simulated e
mergency condition. -(THAT part of my personal POH says, "As Slow As You
Can Go") - So now my emergency water landing procedure says get the canop
y open first thing. -But, depending on the attitude, that could be challe
nging. -
-I submit that being able to jettison the canopy quickly after an emergen
cy landing could be a good thing. -On the other hand, the whole canopy ej
ection and bailing out with a seatpack chute on strikes me as ummm... less
valuable. -(Yes, I know the Skycatcher guy did it and I do not know how!)
-
Sabrina, thanks for your great ideas. -Quantum physics, eh? -Be prepare
d for lots of Heisenberg jokes. -
Frank Derfler-
AMD-made 601XL with 160 hours-
Marathon in the Florida Keys-
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy |
On Tuesday 13 January 2009 06:54, Frank Derfler wrote:
> Sabrina -
<snip>
> Sabrina, thanks for your great ideas. Quantum physics, eh? Be prepared
> for lots of Heisenberg jokes.
Being a man of principle, I am uncertain about this. :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Bob, I used the Zenith supplied rivet puller without any problems at all. They
warn you that the case may crack if you use too high of an air pressure. I ended
up using a few pounds higher (at the compressor) than they recommended to
get the 5/32 stems to snap.
Chuck
finished and ready to fly
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
you can sweep with a magnetic "broom".- You can also get down on the floo
r and look obliquely across the floor: everything else is "taller" than you
r eye so they stand out.
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Tue, 1/13/09, stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> wrote:
From: stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
A big thank you to all who responded to my call for help.
Yesterday evening I was able to find, and correct the problem with my rivet
gun. As was mentioned in a previous response, the defect was with the larg
e
O-ring on the piston at the top of the handle. it has an O-ring at the rea
r to
seal the oil, and both guns had O-rings that were dried out and hardened.
This is why the gun was quitting after a dozen or so rivets, because the oi
l
was leaking pass the O-ring into the stem catcher. Now it is working great
,
with no oil leaks.
There was however one casualty in all this and that is my second gun. Whil
e I
was rebuilding the first one on the bench I casually pulled the trigger to
check
how far back the piston was pulling, and when it evacuated the air from the
lower canister, it blow the spring from my second gun off the bench, and wa
s
never to be seen again.
Bob the 701 & 750 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. BRS Comment |
My original - and perhaps too brief - question was pertaining to the actual failure
mode of the BRS.
We hear all about the BRS "saves". I have not heard much about any BRS failures,
and it is those that we who are installing BRS's should examine.
I am in the process of installing a BRS in my XL, and am trying to do everything
I can up front to stack the odds in my favor in the unlikely event that I or
a passenger would ever have to pull that handle.
- Patrick
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601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy and Cold Weather (shipping) ? |
> regarding shipment of that big plastic bubble in the winter?
I'll find out soon enough. I ordered my canopy last week, and it shipped today.
We're in a cold snap right now, and it isn't going to get above zero for a few
days. Was -21 below zero (F) at my house this morning. [Shocked]
So if my canopy arrives safely, it should lend confidence to others who are wondering
about how well that bubble survives shipping in winter...
- Patrick:
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Dirk-
No, actually this is a valid topic. Pneumatic riveters set perfect
rivets all the time if you can get the buggers to work properly. The operant
phrase is "Work Properly". The big advantage is no buck that scratches
whatever you're working on.
I'd rather use my pneumatic over my hand riveter any day but they are a
pain! I think the original post was a cry for help rather than anything
else. Give the poster a break.
Bill
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From: "Dirk Zahtilla" <ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
> <ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
>
> God you guys are something else. I have an original "Pop Rivet" brand hand
> rivet tool I bought for about 4 bucks in about 1973 and after all those
> years of misc. use I've built 2 planes with at least as many rivets as the
> 601 and will build my 601 with it as well.
> Or maybe I can discuss all the ramifications of the ramistat ad
> infinitum... Geez!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy. BRS Comment |
PatrickW wrote:
> My original - and perhaps too brief - question was pertaining to the actual failure
mode of the BRS.
>
> We hear all about the BRS "saves". I have not heard much about any BRS failures,
and it is those that we who are installing BRS's should examine.
>
> I am in the process of installing a BRS in my XL, and am trying to do everything
I can up front to stack the odds in my favor in the unlikely event that I
or a passenger would ever have to pull that handle.
>
> - Patrick
Patrick if you are talking about the Skycatcher failure. First the plane was in
a flat spin. Second there was some talk that the BRS was not properly mounted.
Remember this was a prototype plane not a production version.
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy and Cold Weather (shipping) ? |
PatrickW wrote:
>
> > regarding shipment of that big plastic bubble in the winter?
>
> I'll find out soon enough. I ordered my canopy last week, and it shipped today.
>
> We're in a cold snap right now, and it isn't going to get above zero for a few
days. Was -21 below zero (F) at my house this morning. [Shocked]
>
> So if my canopy arrives safely, it should lend confidence to others who are wondering
about how well that bubble survives shipping in winter...
>
> - Patrick
Really Really Really Really don't try to do any work mounting the canopy until
it is about 90 degrees warmer.
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601XL Under Construction
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