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1. 02:40 AM - Whats your weight ? (K Dilks)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (vvkidd@mindspring.com)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (DaveG601XL)
4. 05:48 AM - Re: W&B 601XL (Pfluftl)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 06:05 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (Jay Maynard)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (Jay Maynard)
8. 09:48 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (Bryan Martin)
9. 02:48 PM - Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans)
10. 03:13 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (Bryan Martin)
11. 03:53 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans)
12. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (Bryan Martin)
13. 04:12 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans)
14. 05:04 PM - Re: W&B 601XL (leinad)
15. 07:18 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (LarryMcFarland)
16. 07:48 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans)
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| Subject: | Whats your weight ? |
Ok I mean your XL!
Empty and normal take off weights .
Equipment fitted
Lets get a good amount of replies to get a feel of whats out there.
Kev Building away like mad :)
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| Subject: | Re: Whats your weight ? |
CH601XL, N922VK, CRW, Charleston, WV
Empty Wgt 806 lbs
-----Original Message-----
>From: K Dilks <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2009 5:38 AM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ?
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>
>Ok I mean your XL!
>
>Empty and normal take off weights .
>Equipment fitted
>
>
> Lets get a good amount of replies to get a feel of whats out there.
>
>Kev Building away like mad :)
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>Austria .............
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| Subject: | Re: Whats your weight ? |
N554SG Empty Weight Data:
601XL, 2006-2008 regular kit built
ZAC Gear
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop
Dynon D180, Garmin 296, Icom A-200, Garmin GTX-327, Whiskey Compass
Y-Stick, hand-made comfor-foam seats covered in marine vinyl, King ELT
Polished finish, no paint
Empty Weight = 749 lbs.
Nose = 218 lbs.
Right = 259 lbs.
Left = 272 lbs.
Actual numbers recorded on digital automotive scales rotated between different
tires to assure repeatability.
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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Empty weight of my 601 xl CZAW is 313 kg,
nose wheel 99kg, main wheels right 106kg, left 108
no fuel, including radio, gps, transponder, wheelcovers, winglockers, landinglight,
strobe lights, position lights, electrical Horizon, ELT, BRS, and Rotox
912 ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Whats your weight ? |
Dry weight - 840 lb
Take-off weight - ~1120 - 1310 lb
Corvair 2700
Two Blade, 66" Warp Drive Prop
Single axis Autopilot
Airspeed Indicator
Altimeter
Vertical Speed Indicator
Compass
Garmin GPS 296
ICOM IC-A200 Trasceiver
Narco AT50A Transponder
Dynon EMS-D10
Clock
Softcomm ATC-2P Intercom
ACK Model E-01 ELT
Tri-Gear
No wheel fairings
Dual sticks
Minimal paint
Jay Bannister
Zodiac CH 601XL
N2630J? "Lil Bruiser"
Dallas, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: K Dilks <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:38 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ?
Ok I mean your XL!
Empty and normal take off weights .
Equipment fitted
Lets get a good amount of replies to get a feel of whats out there.
Kev Building away like mad :)
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Austria .............
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| Subject: | Re: Whats your weight ? |
Empty weight: 850 pounds
Takeoff weight: 1100-1320 pounds
O-200 engine
Sensenich W68ZK57G wood-composite prop
Electric gyros (standard six pack)
TruTrak IIVSG two-axis autopilot
Garmin stack: GNS430W GPS/nav/com with CDI, SL40 com, GTX330 transponder,
GMA340 audio panel, GPS496 backup/XM
Dynon EMS-D10
ACK E-01 ELT
Tricycle gear
Wheel pants
Dual sticks
Piano hinge ailerons
Aileron trim
Pretty paint job
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Whats your weight ? |
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:00:03AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote:
> Empty weight: 850 pounds
Forgot...nose wheel 292, right wheel 269, left wheel 289 pounds.
I played with the numbers a while back...it's just about impossible to load
my Zodiac out of the allowable CG range aft, and not too hard to get out of
the forward end of the range with full fuel (especially if I'm solo).
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Whats your weight ? |
Empty weight: 815 lbs
Normal TO weight: About 1200 lbs
Subaru EA81 with Stratus redrive
Warp Drive three blade prop
full six-pack with electric gyros
Garmin GNS 430
Mid-Continent CDI
Microair 760 com
PMA 4000 audio panel
King KT-76A transponder
blind encoder
AK 450 ELT
15 lb battery behind passenger seat
aileron and elevator trim
nav and strobe lights
dual landing lights
hot water cabin heater
sound/thermal insulation throughout the cabin
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> <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
>
> Ok I mean your XL!
>
> Empty and normal take off weights .
> Equipment fitted
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, powered by the Stratus
Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little extra for the tapered tips
as I understand they will have better cruise efficiency. But I wonder what adverse
effect to expect during take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper
then?
If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best blade pitch
for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this has been discussed many
times but I'm still learning how to search posts accurately (sorry).
Thanks in advance!! Kevin T.
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Kevin J. Tansor
601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
Target for completion: Spring 2009
Private Pilot, ASEL.
Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
I have the same setup as you, the prop is pitched to get just shy of
red line in straight and level flight. I don't recall what the pitch
is in degrees. At a take off weight of around 1200 pounds on a
standard day at 700 feet MSL, I get close to 1000 feet per minute
initial climb at about 65 mph. Top speed with wheel pants is around
125 mph CAS.
>
>
> I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL,
> powered by the Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little
> extra for the tapered tips as I understand they will have better
> cruise efficiency. But I wonder what adverse effect to expect during
> take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper then?
>
> If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best
> blade pitch for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this
> has been discussed many times but I'm still learning how to search
> posts accurately (sorry).
>
> Thanks in advance!! Kevin T.
>
> --------
> Kevin J. Tansor
> 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
> Target for completion: Spring 2009
> Private Pilot, ASEL.
> Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
Hey Bryan,
That's very helpful, Thanks!
Are you using the tapered prop tips?
Kevin T.
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Kevin J. Tansor
601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
Target for completion: Spring 2009
Private Pilot, ASEL.
Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
Yes
>
>
> Are you using the tapered prop tips?
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
Thanks Bryan!
PS: I just found the pic's of your plane at www.alexisparkinn.com ... well done, nice job on the panel!!
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Kevin J. Tansor
601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
Target for completion: Spring 2009
Private Pilot, ASEL.
Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
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I think the idea of this post is really good, and I'd like to see some real world
numbers to compare my bird with too, but there is also variation in where the
wheels are in relation to the fuselage between different versions of the drawings,
and different builders. This was the topic of a thread awhile back.
For the information to be useful to me, and not misinformation for others it'd
be good to have the wheel locations too. I'm assuming those who are flying have
these to do their weight and balance calculation from.
Thanks.
Dan
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
Hi Kevin,
I've a 70-inch Warp Drive and a Stratus Subaru EA 81 and now use a
17-degree pitch. In the beginning, I flew with a 15-inch pitch and
worked it up to the best
cruise efficiency in three changes. Probably best to begin with a
15-1/2-degree which will give you a huge climb and modest but adequate
cruise to begin with.
I'm really keen on the Stratus and the Warp Drive with tapered blades.
Really smooth!
My site journal has a good deal of information on the Stratus, jetting,
EGTs and test flying the aircraft. Do check out the engine page and the
electrical page
as they also convey things you might find interesting.
Best regards,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
KTans wrote:
>
> I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, powered by the
Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little extra for the tapered tips
as I understand they will have better cruise efficiency. But I wonder what
adverse effect to expect during take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper
then?
>
> If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best blade pitch
for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this has been discussed many
times but I'm still learning how to search posts accurately (sorry).
>
> Thanks in advance!! Kevin T.
>
> --------
> Kevin J. Tansor
> 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
> Target for completion: Spring 2009
> Private Pilot, ASEL.
> Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226939#226939
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? |
Hi Larry!
How's the flyin? I purchased one of your radiator intakes and louver sets etc a
while back (Thanks again!). Spring '09 I'll be wrapping things up and out on
the runway (OK ... taxiway).
Thanks a bunch for the info on the prop angles, sound like a very logical sequence
to try out.
-Kevin
larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
> I've a 70-inch Warp Drive and a Stratus Subaru EA 81 and now use a
> 17-degree pitch. In the beginning, I flew with a 15-inch pitch and
> worked it up to the best
> cruise efficiency in three changes. Probably best to begin with a
> 15-1/2-degree which will give you a huge climb and modest but adequate
> cruise to begin with.
> I'm really keen on the Stratus and the Warp Drive with tapered blades.
> Really smooth!
>
> My site journal has a good deal of information on the Stratus, jetting,
> EGTs and test flying the aircraft. Do check out the engine page and the
> electrical page
> as they also convey things you might find interesting.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> KTans wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, powered by the
Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little extra for the tapered
tips as I understand they will have better cruise efficiency. But I wonder what
adverse effect to expect during take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to
taper then?
> >
> > If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best blade pitch
for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this has been discussed
many times but I'm still learning how to search posts accurately (sorry).
> >
> > Thanks in advance!! Kevin T.
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin J. Tansor
> > 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
> > Target for completion: Spring 2009
> > Private Pilot, ASEL.
> > Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 26939#226939
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Kevin J. Tansor
601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus...
Target for completion: Spring 2009
Private Pilot, ASEL.
Gyrocopter Pilot/in training
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