---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/26/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:40 AM - Whats your weight ? (K Dilks) 2. 05:34 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (vvkidd@mindspring.com) 3. 05:45 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (DaveG601XL) 4. 05:48 AM - Re: W&B 601XL (Pfluftl) 5. 05:50 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 06:05 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (Jay Maynard) 7. 06:10 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (Jay Maynard) 8. 09:48 AM - Re: Whats your weight ? (Bryan Martin) 9. 02:48 PM - Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans) 10. 03:13 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (Bryan Martin) 11. 03:53 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans) 12. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (Bryan Martin) 13. 04:12 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans) 14. 05:04 PM - Re: W&B 601XL (leinad) 15. 07:18 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (LarryMcFarland) 16. 07:48 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? (KTans) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? From: "K Dilks" Ok I mean your XL! Empty and normal take off weights . Equipment fitted Lets get a good amount of replies to get a feel of whats out there. Kev Building away like mad :) -------- Austria ............. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226826#226826 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:00 AM PST US From: vvkidd@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? CH601XL, N922VK, CRW, Charleston, WV Empty Wgt 806 lbs -----Original Message----- >From: K Dilks >Sent: Jan 26, 2009 5:38 AM >To: zenith601-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? > > >Ok I mean your XL! > >Empty and normal take off weights . >Equipment fitted > > > Lets get a good amount of replies to get a feel of whats out there. > >Kev Building away like mad :) > >-------- >Austria ............. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226826#226826 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Whats your weight ? From: "DaveG601XL" N554SG Empty Weight Data: 601XL, 2006-2008 regular kit built ZAC Gear Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop Dynon D180, Garmin 296, Icom A-200, Garmin GTX-327, Whiskey Compass Y-Stick, hand-made comfor-foam seats covered in marine vinyl, King ELT Polished finish, no paint Empty Weight = 749 lbs. Nose = 218 lbs. Right = 259 lbs. Left = 272 lbs. Actual numbers recorded on digital automotive scales rotated between different tires to assure repeatability. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226840#226840 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: W&B 601XL From: "Pfluftl" Empty weight of my 601 xl CZAW is 313 kg, nose wheel 99kg, main wheels right 106kg, left 108 no fuel, including radio, gps, transponder, wheelcovers, winglockers, landinglight, strobe lights, position lights, electrical Horizon, ELT, BRS, and Rotox 912 ULS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226841#226841 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? From: jaybannist@cs.com Dry weight - 840 lb Take-off weight - ~1120 - 1310 lb Corvair 2700 Two Blade, 66" Warp Drive Prop Single axis Autopilot Airspeed Indicator Altimeter Vertical Speed Indicator Compass Garmin GPS 296 ICOM IC-A200 Trasceiver Narco AT50A Transponder Dynon EMS-D10 Clock Softcomm ATC-2P Intercom ACK Model E-01 ELT Tri-Gear No wheel fairings Dual sticks Minimal paint Jay Bannister Zodiac CH 601XL N2630J? "Lil Bruiser" Dallas, TX -----Original Message----- From: K Dilks Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:38 am Subject: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? Ok I mean your XL! Empty and normal take off weights . Equipment fitted Lets get a good amount of replies to get a feel of whats out there. Kev Building away like mad :) -------- Austria ............. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:08 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? Empty weight: 850 pounds Takeoff weight: 1100-1320 pounds O-200 engine Sensenich W68ZK57G wood-composite prop Electric gyros (standard six pack) TruTrak IIVSG two-axis autopilot Garmin stack: GNS430W GPS/nav/com with CDI, SL40 com, GTX330 transponder, GMA340 audio panel, GPS496 backup/XM Dynon EMS-D10 ACK E-01 ELT Tricycle gear Wheel pants Dual sticks Piano hinge ailerons Aileron trim Pretty paint job -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:49 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:00:03AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: > Empty weight: 850 pounds Forgot...nose wheel 292, right wheel 269, left wheel 289 pounds. I played with the numbers a while back...it's just about impossible to load my Zodiac out of the allowable CG range aft, and not too hard to get out of the forward end of the range with full fuel (especially if I'm solo). -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:37 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Whats your weight ? Empty weight: 815 lbs Normal TO weight: About 1200 lbs Subaru EA81 with Stratus redrive Warp Drive three blade prop full six-pack with electric gyros Garmin GNS 430 Mid-Continent CDI Microair 760 com PMA 4000 audio panel King KT-76A transponder blind encoder AK 450 ELT 15 lb battery behind passenger seat aileron and elevator trim nav and strobe lights dual landing lights hot water cabin heater sound/thermal insulation throughout the cabin > > > > Ok I mean your XL! > > Empty and normal take off weights . > Equipment fitted > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? From: "KTans" I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, powered by the Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little extra for the tapered tips as I understand they will have better cruise efficiency. But I wonder what adverse effect to expect during take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper then? If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best blade pitch for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this has been discussed many times but I'm still learning how to search posts accurately (sorry). Thanks in advance!! Kevin T. -------- Kevin J. Tansor 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... Target for completion: Spring 2009 Private Pilot, ASEL. Gyrocopter Pilot/in training Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226939#226939 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:56 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? I have the same setup as you, the prop is pitched to get just shy of red line in straight and level flight. I don't recall what the pitch is in degrees. At a take off weight of around 1200 pounds on a standard day at 700 feet MSL, I get close to 1000 feet per minute initial climb at about 65 mph. Top speed with wheel pants is around 125 mph CAS. > > > I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, > powered by the Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little > extra for the tapered tips as I understand they will have better > cruise efficiency. But I wonder what adverse effect to expect during > take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper then? > > If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best > blade pitch for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this > has been discussed many times but I'm still learning how to search > posts accurately (sorry). > > Thanks in advance!! Kevin T. > > -------- > Kevin J. Tansor > 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... > Target for completion: Spring 2009 > Private Pilot, ASEL. > Gyrocopter Pilot/in training -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? From: "KTans" Hey Bryan, That's very helpful, Thanks! Are you using the tapered prop tips? Kevin T. -------- Kevin J. Tansor 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... Target for completion: Spring 2009 Private Pilot, ASEL. Gyrocopter Pilot/in training Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226952#226952 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:08 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? Yes > > > Are you using the tapered prop tips? -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? From: "KTans" Thanks Bryan! PS: I just found the pic's of your plane at www.alexisparkinn.com ... well done, nice job on the panel!! -------- Kevin J. Tansor 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... Target for completion: Spring 2009 Private Pilot, ASEL. Gyrocopter Pilot/in training Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226956#226956 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: W&B 601XL From: "leinad" I think the idea of this post is really good, and I'd like to see some real world numbers to compare my bird with too, but there is also variation in where the wheels are in relation to the fuselage between different versions of the drawings, and different builders. This was the topic of a thread awhile back. For the information to be useful to me, and not misinformation for others it'd be good to have the wheel locations too. I'm assuming those who are flying have these to do their weight and balance calculation from. Thanks. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226968#226968 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:58 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? Hi Kevin, I've a 70-inch Warp Drive and a Stratus Subaru EA 81 and now use a 17-degree pitch. In the beginning, I flew with a 15-inch pitch and worked it up to the best cruise efficiency in three changes. Probably best to begin with a 15-1/2-degree which will give you a huge climb and modest but adequate cruise to begin with. I'm really keen on the Stratus and the Warp Drive with tapered blades. Really smooth! My site journal has a good deal of information on the Stratus, jetting, EGTs and test flying the aircraft. Do check out the engine page and the electrical page as they also convey things you might find interesting. Best regards, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com KTans wrote: > > I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, powered by the Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little extra for the tapered tips as I understand they will have better cruise efficiency. But I wonder what adverse effect to expect during take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper then? > > If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best blade pitch for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this has been discussed many times but I'm still learning how to search posts accurately (sorry). > > Thanks in advance!! Kevin T. > > -------- > Kevin J. Tansor > 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... > Target for completion: Spring 2009 > Private Pilot, ASEL. > Gyrocopter Pilot/in training > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226939#226939 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Warp Drive Prop - Taper? From: "KTans" Hi Larry! How's the flyin? I purchased one of your radiator intakes and louver sets etc a while back (Thanks again!). Spring '09 I'll be wrapping things up and out on the runway (OK ... taxiway). Thanks a bunch for the info on the prop angles, sound like a very logical sequence to try out. -Kevin larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: > Hi Kevin, > I've a 70-inch Warp Drive and a Stratus Subaru EA 81 and now use a > 17-degree pitch. In the beginning, I flew with a 15-inch pitch and > worked it up to the best > cruise efficiency in three changes. Probably best to begin with a > 15-1/2-degree which will give you a huge climb and modest but adequate > cruise to begin with. > I'm really keen on the Stratus and the Warp Drive with tapered blades. > Really smooth! > > My site journal has a good deal of information on the Stratus, jetting, > EGTs and test flying the aircraft. Do check out the engine page and the > electrical page > as they also convey things you might find interesting. > > Best regards, > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > KTans wrote: > > > > > > > I'm planning to use 68" 3-Blade Warp Drive prop for my 601XL, powered by the Stratus Subaru EA-81. I'm considering to pay a little extra for the tapered tips as I understand they will have better cruise efficiency. But I wonder what adverse effect to expect during take-off thrust etc. Does it makes sense to taper then? > > > > If anybody has experience with this, and also suggestions for best blade pitch for my configuration, please let me know. I'm sure this has been discussed many times but I'm still learning how to search posts accurately (sorry). > > > > Thanks in advance!! Kevin T. > > > > -------- > > Kevin J. Tansor > > 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... > > Target for completion: Spring 2009 > > Private Pilot, ASEL. > > Gyrocopter Pilot/in training > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 26939#226939 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Kevin J. Tansor 601XL, Subaru EA81/Stratus... Target for completion: Spring 2009 Private Pilot, ASEL. 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