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1. 09:46 AM - Re: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict (Jim Belcher)
2. 10:14 AM - Re: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 10:27 AM - Re: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict (Jim Belcher)
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| Subject: | Re: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict |
I appreciate all the responses I've received to this question. I will probably
wait until I receive a formal response from Zenith before acting. If I
haven't received a response in a reasonable length of time, I'll review the
ideas you guys and gals provided, and use either the one I consider the best,
or some mix thereof.
I believe Zenith needs to be reminded when problems like this exist, not once,
but each time it happens. This problem has obviously been here for some time,
but Zenith has neither corrected it, nor issued an errata advising of its
existence and a workaround.
That's, in my view, possibly more a reflection of human nature, and the fact
things get lost in the heap, than something negative about them. But if they
aren't tapped on the shoulder each time it happens, it's easy to forget.
I would also like a formal response from them to file, so that, if the issue
ever arises, I can point to the reason for my choice. Or, alternatively, say
I requested guidance, but received none from the kit manufacturer.
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
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| Subject: | Re: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict |
Jim,
I think there is a bigger point here.? Sooner or later in your construction adventure,
there are going to be many and varied issues that you will need to figure
out how to do yourself. These are usually items that are not structural or
airworthiness issues. ? As you get further and further into your project, you
are going to find that the specificity of Zenith's instructions begins to taper
off.? By then, it is assumed that you have developed a habit of solving problems
without a lot of hand-holding.? Once you get the kit completely assembled,
then you are on your own BIG TIME !? I probably spent as much time on the electrical
system, panel and FWF as I did on the airframe.? And of that time, probably
80% was spent designing or problem solving. ?
Remember, a big part of "experimental" is the education part.? So go get "smart"
and HAVE FUN !!
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:51 am
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict
I appreciate all the responses I've received to this question. I will probably
wait until I receive a formal response from Zenith before acting. If I
haven't received a response in a reasonable length of time, I'll review the
ideas you guys and gals provided, and use either the one I consider the best,
or some mix thereof.
I believe Zenith needs to be reminded when problems like this exist, not once,
but each time it happens. This problem has obviously been here for some time,
but Zenith has neither corrected it, nor issued an errata advising of its
existence and a workaround.
That's, in my view, possibly more a reflection of human nature, and the fact
things get lost in the heap, than something negative about them. But if they
aren't tapped on the shoulder each time it happens, it's easy to forget.
I would also like a formal response from them to file, so that, if the issue
ever arises, I can point to the reason for my choice. Or, alternatively, say
I requested guidance, but received none from the kit manufacturer.
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Do not archive.
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
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| Subject: | Re: wing flap predrilled hole rivet conflict |
Jay, as an A&P/IA, and when working as an engineer, I've had to solve my share
of problems without much guidance. That may turn out to be the case with
Zenith, and I'd like to think I'm up to the task. I expect to learn, most
likely some things I didn't expect to learn.
It may well be that the scope and number of problems with the Zenith design
will grow. I'll take your word for that, as you're much further along the
building process than I.
However, I paid Zenith for a kit with plans, with the expectation that things
would either be correct, or they would be corrected. I don't believe that's
an unreasonable expectation. Whether it's realistic or not is another
question.
Meanwhile, I appreciate the ideas I get from this forum. Lacking information
from Zenith, I like to see if someone else has had the same problem first,
and how they solved it. Heck, I'm not proud: I'll borrow ideas from
anyone. :-)
On Sunday 08 March 2009 12:13, jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> I think there is a bigger point here.? Sooner or later in your construction
> adventure, there are going to be many and varied issues that you will need
> to figure out how to do yourself. These are usually items that are not
> structural or airworthiness issues. ? As you get further and further into
> your project, you are going to find that the specificity of Zenith's
> instructions begins to taper off.? By then, it is assumed that you have
> developed a habit of solving problems without a lot of hand-holding.? Once
> you get the kit completely assembled, then you are on your own BIG TIME !?
> I probably spent as much time on the electrical system, panel and FWF as I
> did on the airframe.? And of that time, probably 80% was spent designing or
> problem solving. ?
>
> Remember, a big part of "experimental" is the education part.? So go get
> "smart" and HAVE FUN !!
>
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Do not archive.
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
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