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1. 01:45 AM - Re: GVT? (MikeinPE)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: GVT? (PatrickW)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: GVT? (Gig Giacona)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (Leroy Wheeler)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: GVT? (Craig Payne)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: GVT? (PatrickW)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (Bryan Martin)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (Gary Gower)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (Leroy Wheeler)
11. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (jaybannist@cs.com)
12. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 (Leroy Wheeler)
13. 03:19 PM - Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window (Frank Derfler)
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15. 03:53 PM - Re: Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window (jaybannist@cs.com)
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Hi Larry
Would you be so kind and let me know when you received your plans for the 650.
I got mine in January & it still shows the Root Doubler as .063"for the rear
channel. I'm referring to part 6W7- 2. Is that the part that your plans have
as .120"
"The one major change I can see is the REAR attachment plate. The design has changed
but the major thing is the thickness. The older style rear attachment plate
was about .065 thick. It is now .120 or about double the thickness. I was
told it was increased because the "design was changed in order to allow the plate
be be placed lower towards the bottom of the fuselage" (due to the angle being
changed at the front of the wing)."
Keep on building!!!
Mike in Port Elizabeth, South Africa
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careywf(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> (5) Someone on this site stated a month or so back that all of the 601XL accidents
involving "suspected aileron flutter" were of the hingless design. Am I
correct?
No, just the opposite. They were all of the piano hinged variety.
If I'm wrong, then I welcome a correction with supporting data.
Does anyone have a concrete example of an XL having gone down that had the standard
hingeless design? If so, please share a photograph.
- Pat
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PatrickW wrote:
>
> careywf(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > (5) Someone on this site stated a month or so back that all of the 601XL accidents
involving "suspected aileron flutter" were of the hingless design. Am
I correct?
>
> No, just the opposite. They were all of the piano hinged variety.
>
>
> - Pat
That would have been me. I did some research and could not find an proof of an
example of a hingeless 601XL in the 6 accident aircraft. I even asked over at
ZBAG and they couldn't provide an example. I've since learned that there may be
one but the info came second hand and and I've not been able to confirm.
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 |
Look at cockpit details from WWII fighters. I think you'll see bolts
holding the canopy to the frame.
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Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: wing attachment
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Perhaps some Inspector's Lacquer ("witness paint") on the nut would help
provide
a visual indication that could be checked during preflights.
What is working for others out there...?
- Pat
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Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I'll let you know how it works out.
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I would strongly suggest you look at the Zenith construction manual.
Here's a link. http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
While Aero Plastics may know about the canopy they built they aren't experts
on installing it as directed by Zenith.
--------
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601XL Under Construction
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FWIW a builder visiting the ZAC booth at Oshkosh noticed the thicker plates
on the 650 and asked Caleb about it (I was standing there). Caleb said that
to shift the plate on the 650 vertically (as compared to the 601XL) to
changes the wing's angle of incidence the height of the plate had to be
reduced. The increase in thickness was to give the plate adequate strength
in its attachment to the fuselage. Caleb said it had nothing to do with
strengthening the attachment between the rear spar and the plate.
-- Craig
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Hi Larry
Would you be so kind and let me know when you received your plans for the
650. I got mine in January & it still shows the Root Doubler as .063"for
the rear channel. I'm referring to part 6W7- 2. Is that the part that your
plans have as .120"
"The one major change I can see is the REAR attachment plate. The design has
changed but the major thing is the thickness. The older style rear
attachment plate was about .065 thick. It is now .120 or about double the
thickness. I was told it was increased because the "design was changed in
order to allow the plate be be placed lower towards the bottom of the
fuselage" (due to the angle being changed at the front of the wing)."
Keep on building!!!
Mike in Port Elizabeth, South Africa
ch650 scratchbuilder looking for a Corvair core!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 |
Leroy - Come back to reality.? In case you hadn't noticed, the Zodiac is absolutely
no WWII fighter.
Jay Bannister
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Sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 9:23 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09
Look at cockpit details from WWII fighters. I think you'll see bolts
holding the canopy to the frame.
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Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: wing attachment
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Perhaps some Inspector's Lacquer ("witness paint") on the nut would help
provide
a visual indication that could be checked during preflights.
What is working for others out there...?
- Pat
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Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I'll let you know how it works out.
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I would strongly suggest you look at the Zenith construction manual.
Here's a link. http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
While Aero Plastics may know about the canopy they built they aren't experts
on installing it as directed by Zenith.
--------
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601XL Under Construction
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craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> FWIW a builder visiting the ZAC booth at Oshkosh noticed the thicker plates on
the 650 and asked Caleb about it (I was standing there).
> --
Here's the picture I took of the plate:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Zodiac650AtOshkosh#5243761730774797442
I was probably just one of several builders to ask about that, but if it was me
that you were standing next to, then it was nice to meet you :-)
- Pat
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 |
When I upgrade my zodiac for 400 knot cruise, I will probably bolt my
canopy on also. :)
On May 28, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Leroy Wheeler wrote:
> >
>
> Look at cockpit details from WWII fighters. I think you'll see bolts
> holding the canopy to the frame.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09 |
Included the WEIGHT...-- Add only Lightness AND/OR Simplicity
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09
Leroy - Come back to reality.- In case you hadn't noticed, the Zodiac is
absolutely no WWII fighter.
Jay Bannister
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Look at cockpit details from WWII fighters. I think you'll see bolts
holding the canopy to the frame.
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Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: wing attachment
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Perhaps some Inspector's Lacquer ("witness paint") on the nut would help
provide
a visual indication that could be checked during preflights.
What is working for others out there...?
- Pat
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Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I'll let you know how it works out.
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I would strongly suggest you look at the Zenith construction manual.
Here's a link. http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
While Aero Plastics may know about the canopy they built they aren't expert
s
on installing it as directed by Zenith.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
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I know many people think this is not the way to go. You have to admit it's
cool.
Leroy Wheeler
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Leroy - Come back to reality. In case you hadn't noticed, the Zodiac is
absolutely no WWII fighter.
Jay Bannister
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Sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 9:23 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: RE: Zenith601-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/27/09
<flyboy3847@onecommail.com>
Look at cockpit details from WWII fighters. I think you'll see bolts
holding the canopy to the frame.
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Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: wing attachment
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Perhaps some Inspector's Lacquer ("witness paint") on the nut would help
provide
a visual indication that could be checked during preflights.
What is working for others out there...?
- Pat
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I'll let you know how it works out.
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Giacona
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/19/09
I would strongly suggest you look at the Zenith construction manual.
Here's a link. http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
While Aero Plastics may know about the canopy they built they aren't experts
on installing it as directed by Zenith.
--------
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601XL Under Construction
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Leroy - Tell me !! Look at my airplane.=C2-=C2- - Jay
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I know many people think this is not the
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=C2-
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holding the canopy to the frame.
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From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Perhaps some Inspector's
Lacquer ("witness paint") on the nut would help
provide
a visual indication that could be checked during preflights.
What is working for others out there...?
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I'll let you know how it works out.
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I would strongly suggest you look at the Zenith construction manual.
Here's a link. http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
While Aero Plastics may know about the canopy they built they aren't exper
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I've seen this in Sport Aviation. Cool bird. Mine is civilian white and
graphics.
Leroy
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Leroy - Tell me !! Look at my airplane. - Jay
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I know many people think this is not the way to go. You have to admit it's
cool.
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Leroy - Come back to reality. In case you hadn't noticed, the Zodiac is
absolutely no WWII fighter.
Jay Bannister
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Look at cockpit details from WWII fighters. I think you'll see bolts
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From: "PatrickW" < <mailto:pwhoyt@yahoo.com> pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Perhaps some Inspector's Lacquer ("witness paint") on the nut would help
provide
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What is working for others out there...?
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I'll let you know how it works out.
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I would strongly suggest you look at the Zenith construction manual.
Here's a link. <http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf>
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-c-4.pdf
While Aero Plastics may know about the canopy they built they aren't experts
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| Subject: | Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window |
My 601XL sits outside at Marathon airport in the Florida Keys. It's been
flying for about 30 months. Even in this environment, the only corrosion (I
can find) is filiform corrosion around the screws holding in the landing
light window. Two photos attached. My screws are stainless and I suspect
that a good portion of this corrosion is electrolytic. I'm scrubbing with
ScotchBrite and going down to bare metal. Then, it will be aluma-prep,
alodine, and then, Zinc chromate.
By the way, I'm removing a nice layer of yellow primer, so this corrosion is
not a matter of improper priming.
I've only tackled stripping the area around two holes so far and already I'm
sorry I started.
When it comes to the question of how to preclude this happening again, the
local experts have as many opinions as eyeballs... maybe more. So, let's
see what you think..
1. One group says the stainless steel screws are to blame and I should
switch to plain painted steel screws.
2. Another group says "How about aluminum screws?" Since the screws do not
really do much ..eight screws to hold the plastic piece in place.. this
sounds like an idea.
3. Another group says.. use the stainless screws, but dip them in Teflon
grease..
4. Another group says use nylon screws.
5. And another group says, "You have holes in the skin.. they go through the
pure aluminum coating. there is nothing you can do except to treat it every
two years or so."
And so, 601/650 builders and owners... what do you think? Does anyone else
have corrosion around the sheet metal screws holding the landing light cover
and, if so, what have you done about it? (and did it work?)
Frank Derfler
601XL flying with never a flutter
Islamorada, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window |
Stainless and aluminum don't play well together. Either switch to zinc
or cadmium plated screws or use zinc, cad or plastic washers under the
screw heads.
On May 28, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Frank Derfler wrote:
> My 601XL sits outside at Marathon airport in the Florida Keys. It's
> been flying for about 30 months. Even in this environment, the only
> corrosion (I can find) is filiform corrosion around the screws
> holding in the landing light window. Two photos attached. My screws
> are stainless and I suspect that a good portion of this corrosion is
> electrolytic. I'm scrubbing with ScotchBrite and going down to bare
> metal. Then, it will be aluma-prep, alodine, and then, Zinc chromate.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window |
Frank,
Just my two cents worth:
Stainless steel and aluminum are far enough apart on the chart of galvanic activity
that, in the presence of salty moisture, there is going to be some corrosion
to the aluminum.? The Idea that you have "gone through the layer of pure aluminum"
is bunk.? The XL is built with 6061-T6 which doesn't have a layer of
pure aluminum.? I would go with the coated steel screws or aluminum screws.? I
think that would have the best chance of eliminating corrosion in the future.
Jay Bannister
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Subject: Zenith601-List: Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window
My 601XL sits outside at Marathon airport in the Florida Keys. ?It's been flying
for about 30 months. ?Even in this environment, the only corrosion (I can find)
is filiform corrosion around the screws holding in the landing light window.
Two photos attached. ?My screws are stainless and I suspect that a good portion
of this corrosion is electrolytic. ?I'm scrubbing with ScotchBrite and going
down to bare metal. ?Then, it will be aluma-prep, alodine, and then, Zinc
chromate. ?
By the way, I'm removing a nice layer of yellow primer, so this corrosion is not
a matter of improper priming. ?
I've only tackled stripping the area around two holes so far and already I'm sorry
I started. ?
When it comes to the question of how to preclude this happening again, the local
experts have as many opinions as eyeballs... maybe more. ?So, let's see what
you think..?
1. One group says the stainless steel screws are to blame and I should switch to
plain painted steel screws.
2. Another group says "How about aluminum screws?" ?Since the screws do not really
do much ..eight screws to hold the plastic piece in place.. this sounds like
an idea.?
3. Another group says.. use the stainless screws, but dip them in Teflon grease..
?
4. Another group says use nylon screws. ?
5. And another group says, "You have holes in the skin.. they go through the pure
aluminum coating. ?there is nothing you can do except to treat it every two
years or so." ?
And so, 601/650 builders and owners... what do you think? ?Does anyone else have
corrosion around the sheet metal screws holding the landing light cover and,
if so, what have you done about it? ?(and did it work?) ?
Frank Derfler?
601XL flying with never a flutter?
Islamorada, FL?
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window |
In researching my own question, I found this informative chart at
http://www.estainlesssteel.com/corrosion.shtml
Looks like I should be using some Zinc plated sheet metal screws. -- FJD
*Guideline for Selection of Fasteners based on Galvanic Action*
*Fastener Metal*
*Zinc &
Galvanized
Steel*
*Aluminum &
Aluminum
Alloys*
*Steel and
Cast Iron*
*Brass, Copper,
Bronze, Monel*
*Martensitic
Stainless
(Type 410)*
*Austentic
Stainless
(Types 302,
303, 304, 305)*
*Base Metal*
*Zinc & Galvanized
Steel*
A
B
B
C
C
C
*Aluminum &
Aluminum Alloys*
A
A
B
C
Not
Recommended
B
*Steel and Cast
Iron*
AD
A
A
C
C
B
*Lead-Tin Plated
Sheets*
ADE
AE
AE
C
C
B
*Brass, Copper,
Bronze, Monel*
ADE
AE
AE
A
A
B
*Ferritic Stainless
(Type 430)*
ADE
AE
AE
A
A
A
*Austentic Stainless
(Type 302/304)*
ADE
AE
AE
AE
A
A
A - The corrosion of the base metal is not increased by the fastener
B - The corrosion of the base metal is marginally increased by the fastener
C - The corrosion of the base metal may be markedly increased by the
fastener material
D - The plating on the fastener is rapidly consumed, leaving the bare
fastener metal
E - The corrosion of the fastener is increased by the base metal
Note - Surface treatment and environment can change activity
Source - "*Stainless Steel Fasteners A Systematic Approach To Their
Selection" AISI 502-476-18M-CP*
>
>
> Frank Derfler
> 601XL flying with never a flutter
> Islamorada, FL
>
>
> --
> Twitter! Follow me at http://Twitter.com/Fderfler
>
> See my new Novel, "A Glint in Time" at http://GreatGuyBooks.com.
>
> See my discussion of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or
> (blatantly) immoral at http://mostlyflying.com
>
> Anybody who READS (anybody out there?) See www.greatguybooks.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Around the Landing Light Window |
A product called Duralac is what we use in the airline and restoration game for
dissimilar metal contact especially SS to Al.Cheers [best to avoid it in the
first place by using the cad plated screws]
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