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2. 06:39 AM - Trim tab meter worthwhile...? (PatrickW)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Trim tab meter worthwhile...? (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 07:43 AM - XL wing bolts (Bob McArdle)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: XL wing bolts (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 09:12 AM - Re: Component Kits (Herb Heaton)
7. 02:09 PM - Re: Trim tab meter worthwhile...? (Bill Naumuk)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: XL wing bolts (Thruster87)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: Component Kits (hansriet)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Component Kits (jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Component Kits (dennis hettrick)
12. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Component Kits (Bryan Martin)
13. 07:34 PM - Zenith Zip 2009 (Alain Ouellet)
14. 07:41 PM - Re: Trim tab meter worthwhile...? (T. Graziano)
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=?windows-1252?Q?ge=2Dmounted_=9CTorque_Tube_St?
this one works
http://www.zenairulm.com/News/pdfdocs/ZE-2009-02.pdf
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Trim tab meter worthwhile...? |
Are those little rectangular trim tab meters that come with the kit worth installing...?
I am starting to work on my panel, and am thinking of leaving these off.
Anybody who's left them off and later wished they' had put them in...?
Anybody who's installed them and has then found that they're not useful...?
Thanks,
- Pat
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Patrick
XL/650/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab meter worthwhile...? |
Hi Pat,
I have found the indicator for elevator trim very useful. It allows
you to set the trim for takeoff without turning completely around in
the seat to see where the trim tab is currently positioned. After a
full flap landing, it takes a considerable change to get ready for takeoff.
I don't have aileron trim on the plane I am currently flying. I
suspect you could see the aileron trim tab from the pilot's seat
easily enough that the indicator for that would be excess
baggage. Also, I don't think you will need to make so many large
changes to the aileron trim.
Paul
XL Grounded
At 06:38 AM 6/6/2009, you wrote:
>Zenith601-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
>
>Are those little rectangular trim tab meters that come with the kit
>worth installing...?
>
>I am starting to work on my panel, and am thinking of leaving these off.
>
>Anybody who's left them off and later wished they' had put them in...?
>
>Anybody who's installed them and has then found that they're not useful...?
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Pat
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Should wing bolts be coated with anticorosion lubricant or placed dry?
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| Subject: | Re: XL wing bolts |
Hi Bob,
My understanding is they are supposed to be installed dry.
If you do apply any lubrication to wing bolts, you need to adjust the
torque applied to them to account for the lubrication.
Paul
XL grounded
At 07:37 AM 6/6/2009, you wrote:
>Should wing bolts be coated with anticorosion lubricant or placed dry?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
You're not missing anything. Individual parts cost more than kit parts.
I ordered the main landing gear strut, wheels and brakes for my 601XL
and they cost more than the complete landing gear kit...so I ordered the
kit and got a lot of extra parts for less money. It's how a business
makes money.
Herb
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From: hansriet<mailto:hansinla@mac.com>
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith601-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Component Kits
<hansinla@mac.com<mailto:hansinla@mac.com>>
When I enter all parts of a kit as indicated on the builders pages on
an order form, the price doesn't add up to the component kit price. What
am I missing?
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab meter worthwhile...? |
Pat-
Never had one on any other plane I've flown. Simpler wiring.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Trim tab meter worthwhile...?
>
> Are those little rectangular trim tab meters that come with the kit worth
> installing...?
>
> I am starting to work on my panel, and am thinking of leaving these off.
>
> Anybody who's left them off and later wished they' had put them in...?
>
> Anybody who's installed them and has then found that they're not
> useful...?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Pat
>
> --------
> Patrick
> XL/650/Corvair
> N63PZ (reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247073#247073
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL wing bolts |
You could put a bit of Duralac onto the shanks to minimize corrosion.The torque
values won't be affected if you keep the thread free from any duralac or any
other foreign matter.Cheers T87
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the fuselage kit, the
total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is $4,725.00.
So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the same exercise
for other component kits the results are all over the map.
Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247131#247131
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
I doubt very seriously that you have actually accounted for ALL the parts.? If
you are taking your parts list from the illustrated parts manual, or even the
detailed parts list, you are primarily missing? a lot of hardware: solid rivets,
bolts, screws, nut plates, and the like that are included in a kit, but are
not listed as parts.? I also doubt very seriously that you could buy all the
individual airframe parts, and pieces of hardware for less than the cost of a
kit.
-----Original Message-----
From: hansriet <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 7:20 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Component Kits
Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the fuselage kit,
the total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is $4,725.00.
So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the same
exercise for other component kits the results are all over the map.
Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247131#247131
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
when pricing parts did you account for plans and serial nos.? just a thoug
ht dennis
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Component Kits
From: jaybannist@cs.com
I doubt very seriously that you have actually accounted for ALL the parts.
If you are taking your parts list from the illustrated parts manual=2C or
even the detailed parts list=2C you are primarily missing a lot of hardwar
e: solid rivets=2C bolts=2C screws=2C nut plates=2C and the like that are i
ncluded in a kit=2C but are not listed as parts. I also doubt very serious
ly that you could buy all the individual airframe parts=2C and pieces of ha
rdware for less than the cost of a kit.
-----Original Message-----
From: hansriet <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Sat=2C 6 Jun 2009 7:20 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Component Kits
Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the fuselage ki
t=2C
the total is about $3=2C500.00=2C the kit price is $4=2C725.00.
So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the same
exercise for other component kits the results are all over the map.
Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247131#247131
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
Are you including all the miscellaneous hardware included in the kit?
Such as rivets, nuts and bolts, washers, etc. And there is also the
crating charge to cover the cost of the lumber, packaging and labor.
On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:20 PM, hansriet wrote:
>
> Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the
> fuselage kit, the total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is
> $4,725.00.
> So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the
> same exercise for other component kits the results are all over the
> map.
> Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Its coming up next week-end in Brampton, Ontario.
Lots of other pilots, builders, etc....
Good time to meet other aviation enthusiasts.
Saturday and Sunday
Alain
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab meter worthwhile...? |
Pat,
I agree with Paul. I have both, but use visual to confirm aileron trim tab
position. In flight I use very little aileron trim.
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab 497 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Trim tab meter worthwhile...?
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> I have found the indicator for elevator trim very useful. It allows you
> to set the trim for takeoff without turning completely around in the seat
> to see where the trim tab is currently positioned. After a full flap
> landing, it takes a considerable change to get ready for takeoff.
>
> I don't have aileron trim on the plane I am currently flying. I suspect
> you could see the aileron trim tab from the pilot's seat easily enough
> that the indicator for that would be excess baggage. Also, I don't think
> you will need to make so many large changes to the aileron trim.
>
> Paul
> XL Grounded
>
>
> At 06:38 AM 6/6/2009, you wrote:
>>Zenith601-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Are those little rectangular trim tab meters that come with the kit worth
>>installing...?
>>
>>I am starting to work on my panel, and am thinking of leaving these off.
>>
>>Anybody who's left them off and later wished they' had put them in...?
>>
>>Anybody who's installed them and has then found that they're not
>>useful...?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>- Pat
>
>
>
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