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1. 02:12 AM - Re: Re: Component Kits (Eric Tiethoff (HCCNet))
2. 07:29 AM - Re: Component Kits (hansriet)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Component Kits (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Component Kits (PatrickW)
5. 03:40 PM - One bungee on each Main Gear (Damien)
6. 03:48 PM - Re: Component Kits (jonaburns)
7. 04:48 PM - Re: One bungee on each Main Gear (LarryMcFarland)
8. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Component Kits (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
You forgot the transport $1225 ?
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From: "hansriet" <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:20 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Component Kits
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> Thanks for all your replies. If I add up the parts list for the fuselage
> kit, the total is about $3,500.00, the kit price is $4,725.00.
> So none of the solutions provided solve this mystery. If you do the same
> exercise for other component kits the results are all over the map.
> Maybe the part prices shown on the web are incorrect?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247131#247131
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
LOL. Close Eric.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the prices and/or quantities on the web-site's
part list are incorrect. However it does include hardware, rivets etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
It now appears that you know what you are talking about. Since you are so sure
about it, you definitely should go ahead and order parts instead of a kit.? Why
pass up a bargain ?? Let us know how that works out.
Jay Bannister
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From: hansriet <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 9:29 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Component Kits
LOL. Close Eric.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the prices and/or quantities on the
web-site's part list are incorrect. However it does include hardware, rivets
etc.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247192#247192
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
I built my XL airframe via the component kit route.
Advantages of Component Kits: Less money up front. Better use of the storage
space in your work area. Less time for some parts to be sitting around unused
and getting damaged. You benefit from stuff that gets "new and improved" along
the way before you purchase that component (for example the new BRS brackets,
some of the CNC drilled skins, and the new XL nose gear would not have been
available for me had I bought the whole kit at once back in 2006). Long lead
times for some parts from other vendors become less of a problem (important for
guys going the Corvair route).
Disadvantages of Component Kits:: Component kits are by no means complete. Contents
of component kits will change, and pieces (like forward top skins) that
were included in a particular sub-kit 3 years ago may be included in a different
sub kit by the time you get to it. I've had to chase a lot of hardware, and
there are a lot of times (as a first time builder) that I've not known that
I needed something "until I needed it". Shipping and handling costs will rise.
Redesigned parts that you receive later will not match your set of plans that
was printed 3 years ago. If Zenith goes out of business you may be stuck
with pieces for half an airplane. Spousal support that was there when you started
on the $300 rudder kit may become a pain point when you need to drop a few
more thousand dollars on the instruments, after dropping a few thousand on the
engine, after dropping a few thousand on the fuselage, after dropping a few
thousand on the wings........
Also if you go the component route you will end up fabricating more stuff yourself
(I actually consider this as an advantage, but then there is a cost associated
with tools and the value of your time).
The right decision also depends on WHEN you make it. I honestly don't know if
I'd make the same decisions if I were just starting today, although in hindsight
it was a good decision for me as I look back after having started in 2006 (when
the market viewed the XL in a different light than is the case in 2009).
Going the component route worked great for me.
- Pat
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Patrick
XL/650/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | One bungee on each Main Gear |
Hello Group:
I am in the process of buying a 601 HDS with a 80HP Rotax. The gentleman
who built it decided a few years ago to leave just one bungee on each
main gear in order to make grass landings less bumpy. He wrote a short
article about it in the Zenair News. Does anyone have an opinion on
this? If there is just one bungee on a gear leg, is there a concern of
damage if that one bungee deteriorates ?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
I went the component kit route... I think it is the right way for some, but it
ended up costing me several thousand dollars more then I should have spent.
I made my first purchase in October of 2006, and was done purchasing a few months
later. If I would have waited perhaps a year or more to complete the purchase
then the opportunity costs would have been more in line.
The component kits were something like $1000.00 more expensive than the complete
kit, plus shipping is more.
I also ended up reordering a few parts to get the newer versions, so that added
to the costs. My total costs with Zenith are right at $19000.00 counting component
kits, shipping, extra stuff, etc... Looking back, if building wasn't so
much fun, it would have been more financially prudent to go with the QB kit
and saved all the hours. That would have also got me the LR fuel tanks and in
the air much faster.
In the end, go with your budget and work on the plane as often as you can. You
will see progress and learn a lot any way you go.
I am almost done and moving to the airport for final assembly next month.
Jon Burns
Little Elm, TX
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: One bungee on each Main Gear |
Hi Damien,
The objective of having two bungees is redundancy. If you break one,
you don't necessarily break up the plane before you replace the broken
bungee.
Landings with two are none too hard with some practice, but I'd imagine
a fully loaded HDS rumbling along on uneven or rough runways would probably
break something before breaking the last bungee. I'd recommend the
redundancy as gear attachments on the center wing are relatively
delicate without the shock
absorption two bungees provide. I'd not want to strip out the threaded
top plates, ding the vertical guides or impact the gear box structure
below the wing as repairs
could be quite daunting. A double bungee is capable of being bottomed,
so a single could more easily be as well. One bungee to me is a scary
concept!
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Damien wrote:
> Hello Group:
> I am in the process of buying a 601 HDS with a 80HP Rotax. The
> gentleman who built it decided a few years ago to leave just one
> bungee on each main gear in order to make grass landings less bumpy.
> He wrote a short article about it in the Zenair News. Does anyone have
> an opinion on this? If there is just one bungee on a gear leg, is
> there a concern of damage if that one bungee deteriorates ?
> Thanks
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Component Kits |
Guys, if you would just call the factory they will tell you what the total
cost of a sub kit is.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 6/7/2009 8:56:42 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
It now appears that you know what you are talking about. Since you are so
sure about it, you definitely should go ahead and order parts instead of a
kit. Why pass up a bargain ? Let us know how that works out.
Jay Bannister
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-----Original Message-----
From: hansriet <hansinla@mac.com>
Sent: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 9:29 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Component Kits
(mailto:hansinla@mac.com) >
LOL. Close Eric.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the prices and/or quantities on the
web-site's part list are incorrect. However it does include hardware,
rivets
etc.
Read this topic online here:
_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247192#247192_
(http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247192#247192)
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