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1. 01:19 AM - Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL (Scotsman)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Elevator Control Cables 601XL (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Elevator Control Cables 601XL (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: Elevator Control Cables 601XL (a.f.rupp@att.net)
5. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Another Z-BAGing (T. Graziano)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: Z-BAGing definition please, analyze what ? (Gig Giacona)
7. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Z-BAGing definition please, analyze what ? (Rick Lindstrom)
8. 03:51 PM - REt: Elevator Control Cables 601XL (Peter W Johnson)
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| Subject: | Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL |
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Cables 601XL |
Jerry,
I placed the turnbuckle for the upper elevator horn adjacent to the horn.? I made
the fiberglass fairing saddle removable.? That makes it accessible.? The other
trunbuckle. in the arm rest, is on top so it is accessible, too.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Elevator Control Cables 601XL
?
Just a thought. I just closed my arm rest and thought, how
will I make cable adjustment. When I do need to adjust the cables I will
move?the turnbuckles so I can get to them using the door that I have added
(like the 601xl, I think) just aft of the?rear spar on the bottom. This
will require adding a short section of cable to the bracket and reducing the
cables length.? Jerry of GA??DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Cables 601XL |
Peter, The only asymmetry I know about is if you move your aileron to the
extreme. You would have to move your aileron and the check one cable,
center the aileron and them check the other cable for this to effect your
reading. Are you about a foot or more away from your turnbuckles and guides?
Jerry of GA
In a message dated 7/19/2009 10:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
vk3eka@bigpond.net.au writes:
Jerry,
I have moved the turnbuckles so they are accessible from the rear access
door. They are much easier to adjust. I tried holding the elevator in the up
position and the elevator cable is still tight. Is there some asymmetry in
the cable geometry?
Cheers
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Control Cables 601XL |
Peter,
Lock your elevator in neutral position with a board, then adjust your cable tension,
making sure the control stick is where you want it moving it with the turnbuckles.
Release the elevator and cycle the controls stop to stop about three times
and then recheck the tension.
Al Rupp A&P
Lake Placid, NY
601XL
-------------- Original message from "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>:
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> > Hi Guys,
> > I'm sure this has been mentioned before but...
> > I have installed my elevator cables and there seems to be a difference in
> tension between normal and fully up elevator. If this is normal, when do I
> check the tension, normal or fully up?
> > Cheers
> > Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://zodiac.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Z-BAGing |
Good inputs, Karl and Rick.
I would not be too concerned if you hit turbulent conditions, just slow down
and ride it out without jerky elevator inputs. In my over 500 hrs in my XL,
I have been in conditions where I had to hold my headset on with my free
hand to keep it on my head and prevent it from bouncing around the cockpit.
One time on a cross country I was pretty close to gross weight - my poor
wife, who is also a pilot, filled a "barf bag".
Also note that Mr. Phillips, who reported his extreme conditions and shaking
wings over a power plant, reported entering the conditions at above 140 and
when diving to clear the area hit about 170.
Also, if I recall correctly, the only reported aileron flutter was two cases
where the cables were SLACK, the airspeed was reduced to stop the flutter,
and after tightening the cables the condition could not be repeated.
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab3300; 513 hrs really enjoyable hours: 1149 landings (196 on a
short, rough, through the trees, farm field); N493TG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Another Z-BAGing
> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi, Karl, and THANK YOU for stating what may not be so obvious to those
> following the whole online 601XL debacle. I recently spent 3,000 words
> writing an article that essentially makes your very same points - even as
> far as using the Skyhawk as an example of an airplane that will fly just
> fine DESPITE how many pilots fly it.
>
> One thing that is at the very core of this issue is the dichotomy of the
> market for the 601, versus what it needs to be flown safely. The whole
> Zenith line is cheap to acquire, and very simple to build and maintain
> (unlike some of the fast glass out there). But despite the low cost and
> minimal skill needed to build, the 601 still rewards those who develop the
> skill to fly with a light, precise touch. This isn't hard, but it does
> feel unusual at first to those used to the control pressures needed to get
> a Skyhawk or Cherokee to do anything like changing attitude. And once a
> pilot gets used to flying with the fingertips, it's really hard to go back
> to flying airplanes that need comparitively massive control input
> pressures. Kind of like giving up a sports car for a truck without power
> steering.
>
> Already I can hear the screams accusing me of being a Zenith shill or 601
> apologist. Nothing could be further from the truth. Everyone who puts
> their butt in a 601 has a keen interest in flying it safely and returning
> successfully to earth in a single piece. But this isn't an issue that is
> either "all airplane" or "all pilot skill". It's a combination of the two.
>
> Unfortunately, we all know exactly where the failure point is when the
> airframe is stressed beyond its G load limits or someone attempts to fly
> with slack aileron cables. The tragic results are repeatable and
> predictable.
>
> Could the airframe be made stronger, thus moving the failure point
> somewhere else at higher G loads? Probably. Would I like to retrofit my
> airframe with such a mod? Sure, if it doesn't add excessive weight. Is it
> really necessary? I don't think so (which assumes that I can stay out of
> the heavy bumps and fly lightly). I've already limited the down
> deflection of my elevator to 15 degrees and insured the cable tensions are
> up to snuff. Now it's really up to me to fly where the weather isn't with
> a light touch on the stick.
>
> Glad to do it.
>
> Rick Lindstrom
> N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: KARL POLIFKA <jfowler120@verizon.net>
>>Sent: Jul 19, 2009 3:44 PM
>>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Another Z-BAGing
>>
>>I have been monitoring the matronics posts on the 601XL for the last six
>>months for obvious reasons (we have one with 240 hours on it now). I am
>>struck by the increasing intensity of the "discussion", the willingness of
>>some to accept a one-size-fits-all NTSB explanation (and one with very
>>questionable statements), those who are clearly exceeding the design specs
>>and have other very bad and potentially fatal habits, and those who have
>>not adapted their flying techniques to the airplane...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Z-BAGing definition please, analyze what ? |
klondike(at)megalink.net wrote:
> thank you for the reply--- never heard of this group-- what do they analyze
?
>
> do not archive
>
Primarily your posts their group. If you you don't agree they ban you from posting.
In between they send data later shown to be false to the NTSB who then publishes
it like it came from people that have a clue.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Z-BAGing definition please, analyze what ? |
Hey, Gig! How ya' doin', guy?
I can only assume that someone snuck some Crabby Flakes into your cereal bowl this
morning. Normally you're the model of mellowness....
;-)
Rick
do not archive or anything else, for that matter
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 20, 2009 1:28 PM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Z-BAGing definition please, analyze what ?
>
>
>
>klondike(at)megalink.net wrote:
>> thank you for the reply--- never heard of this group-- what do they analyze
?
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
>Primarily your posts their group. If you you don't agree they ban you from posting.
>
>In between they send data later shown to be false to the NTSB who then publishes
it like it came from people that have a clue.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253962#253962
>
>
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| Subject: | REt: Elevator Control Cables 601XL |
Thanks Guys,
I lengthened the top cable (at the stick) by around an inch and all now
seems well. I'll tension at neutral with the elevator clamped in position.
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
a.f.rupp@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Elevator Control Cables 601XL
Peter,
Lock your elevator in neutral position with a board, then adjust your cable
tension,
making sure the control stick is where you want it moving it with the
turnbuckles. Release the elevator and cycle the controls stop to stop about
three times and then recheck the tension.
Al Rupp A&P
Lake Placid, NY
601XL
-------------- Original message from "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>: --------------
> > Hi Guys,
> > I'm sure this has been mentioned before but...
> > I have installed my elevator cables and there seems to be a difference
in
> tension between normal and fully up elevator. If this is normal, when do I
> check the tension, normal or fully up?
> > Cheers
> > Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://zodiac.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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