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1. 04:35 AM - 601xl spar insert (K Dilks)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: 601xl spar insert (Iberplanes IGL)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: 601xl spar insert (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: 601xl spar insert (Peter W Johnson)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: 601xl spar insert (jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: 601xl spar insert (Jim Belcher)
7. 03:08 PM - Re: 601xl spar insert (skyriderekm)
8. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: 601xl spar insert (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
9. 11:14 PM - Re: 601xl spar insert (chuck960)
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| Subject: | 601xl spar insert |
Hello,
Its Sunday and I am stuck/ confused.
I understand i need to make a wing jig from plywood , but can anyone explain about
the part mentioned in the photo guide called the spar insert. Is this supposed
to come from ZAC ready made or am i supposed to make it?
I cant find the insert nor material to make it from!
Building from a full kit.
Thanks for any help, bit urgent as now my day has stopped!
Thanks
Kev
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
Well Kev,
We are synchronized ! I=B4ve sent an email today to ZAC asking the same th
ing
!!! I=B4ll let you know as soon as I get news from them.
Bye !
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Started
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
Hi Kev,
The parts for the wing jigs came with my XL kit. I don't remember
which sub-kit they were in, but I suspect it was the fuselage. At
that time there was no wood in the wing jigs at all, but I don't see
why the main piece couldn't be plywood rather than heavy aluminum as
was included in my kit.
The spar piece is a rough copy of the end of the main wing spar that
must be inserted in the fuselage spar carry-through. It needs to
have the same general shape and thickness as the real wing spar, but
it doesn't need to be particularly nice or strong. If you made your
own wing spars and included an extra 8 inches or so of length then
cut off the extra length this would be a good piece to use for the
jig. (If you are as unfortunate as I am and scrapped one of your
wings then a piece of the scrapped spar would be fine too.)
The wing jig is a mock up of the finished wing to fuselage mating
features. It is used to get the spar carry through and the rear
channel mating tab in the right place on the fuselage side to mate
with YOUR wing. You need two - one for each side of the fuselage.
Good luck,
Paul
XL waiting for engineering changes
At 04:35 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote:
>Hello,
>Its Sunday and I am stuck/ confused.
>I understand i need to make a wing jig from plywood , but can anyone
>explain about the part mentioned in the photo guide called the spar
>insert. Is this supposed to come from ZAC ready made or am i
>supposed to make it?
> I cant find the insert nor material to make it from!
> Building from a full kit.
>
>Thanks for any help, bit urgent as now my day has stopped!
>
>
>Thanks
>Kev
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| Subject: | 601xl spar insert |
Paul/Kev,
My kit was new last September and didn't come with the wing jig parts. The
reasoning was that with all the pre drilled holes I didn't need one. I
borrowed a set from another builder and had not problems fitting it to the
fuse after matching the predrilled holes etc (i.e. good to have for peace of
mind but not necessary).
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://zodiac.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601xl spar insert
Hi Kev,
The parts for the wing jigs came with my XL kit. I don't remember
which sub-kit they were in, but I suspect it was the fuselage. At
that time there was no wood in the wing jigs at all, but I don't see
why the main piece couldn't be plywood rather than heavy aluminum as
was included in my kit.
The spar piece is a rough copy of the end of the main wing spar that
must be inserted in the fuselage spar carry-through. It needs to
have the same general shape and thickness as the real wing spar, but
it doesn't need to be particularly nice or strong. If you made your
own wing spars and included an extra 8 inches or so of length then
cut off the extra length this would be a good piece to use for the
jig. (If you are as unfortunate as I am and scrapped one of your
wings then a piece of the scrapped spar would be fine too.)
The wing jig is a mock up of the finished wing to fuselage mating
features. It is used to get the spar carry through and the rear
channel mating tab in the right place on the fuselage side to mate
with YOUR wing. You need two - one for each side of the fuselage.
Good luck,
Paul
XL waiting for engineering changes
At 04:35 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote:
>Hello,
>Its Sunday and I am stuck/ confused.
>I understand i need to make a wing jig from plywood , but can anyone
>explain about the part mentioned in the photo guide called the spar
>insert. Is this supposed to come from ZAC ready made or am i
>supposed to make it?
> I cant find the insert nor material to make it from!
> Building from a full kit.
>
>Thanks for any help, bit urgent as now my day has stopped!
>
>
>Thanks
>Kev
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
Kev,
If you are talking about the spar center section jigs, I received all the parts
to make them with my fuselage component kit. They are all aluminum and represent
the relationship between the main wing spar and the rear wing spar.? There
is a short piece of wing spar that inserts into the spar center section, complete
with the connecting bolt holes, and a short piece of the rear spar.? The
jig sets the distance, front to back and the vertical and horizontal angles.?
It is primarily used to accurately locate the rear spar attach plate, assist in
cutting holes in the side skins and to assist with the flap actuator installation.?
See photos. The last photo shows a mock-up of the flap attached to the
rear spar of the jig.? Let me know if you have questions.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: K Dilks <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
Sent: Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:35 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601xl spar insert
Hello,
Its Sunday and I am stuck/ confused.
I understand i need to make a wing jig from plywood , but can anyone explain
about the part mentioned in the photo guide called the spar insert. Is this
supposed to come from ZAC ready made or am i supposed to make it?
I cant find the insert nor material to make it from!
Building from a full kit.
Thanks for any help, bit urgent as now my day has stopped!
Thanks
Kev
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
On Sunday 09 August 2009 06:35, K Dilks wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Its Sunday and I am stuck/ confused.
> I understand i need to make a wing jig from plywood , but can anyone
> explain about the part mentioned in the photo guide called the spar insert.
> Is this supposed to come from ZAC ready made or am i supposed to make it? I
> cant find the insert nor material to make it from!
> Building from a full kit.
>
> Thanks for any help, bit urgent as now my day has stopped!
I've had the same question. What I've learned so far is that it appears if one
has a recent kit, with predrilled holes, the spar insert is not required.
As I understand it, the spar insert allows one to align the correct location
for the rear frame channel w.r.t. the spar and spar carry through. Dwg 6B13
shows this.
My guess is, if you have a newer kit, you do not need these parts, and hence,
they are not included. I'm at roughly the same point in building, so if
someone knows something contrary to this, please enlighten me and the others.
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progress at: http://www.mykitlog.com/santaigo
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
Dear Jim and all,
I picked up my 650 kit 2 weeks before Christmas last year. I came to the exact
same point as everyone else had and called Zenith. Roger told me exactly what
several was told, "the jig is NOT needed". I too have the pre-punched skins.
It still to this day, sticks in my mind what if I'm off or I cut too much out
of the skin, etc., etc. The rear fuselage went well and the front pans was
OK too. The problem came when I tried lining up those pre-punched holes where
the upright channels in front of and behind the landing gear channel is at.
The back of the seat uprights was off too. I ended up having to drill another
line of holes and fill their holes with blank rivets. It looks OK but my EAA/DAR
Tech Advisor looked at it and asked, "what are those extra holes for"??
He laughed when I explained it to him and said, "well only you, I and the factory
knows". You can bet I DID call and talk to the Factory. They did offer
a new set of skins without the pre-punched holes, but who would want to tear it
all back apart and start again??? Certainly not me!!
I hope all of this sheds some light for you. If I had it to do again, I would
try finding someone with a jig that way you will KNOW it is right. Keep in mind
that the 650 center main spar is only 7 degrees so if you do use someone else's
601 jig, that angle will be off those 2 degrees.
Tailwinds Always,
Larry Hursh
Edwardsburg, MI
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
I too had the prepunched skins and the jigs were included and I still was a
little wide between the spars and had to put shims between the rear spar
and attach plates after I called and talked to Roger he said it would be OK. I
also had a lot of trouble getting my side skin holes to match up with
uprights and seat backs I had to make some wider angles and move stuff around to
make it work after another call to Roger. It all looks good now being its
flying :) I think one would have less problems without the prepunched skins.
David Coberly
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl spar insert |
I was wondering when this issue would come up. I hit this point in my 650 build
a couple months ago. First of all I followed the plans and the drawing and made
the cutout in the rear side skin to what would be the 601 design. So I have
a gap in the side skin just behind the rear wing attachment. To make matters
worse Zenith sent me the 601 side skins. So long story short they replaced the
side skins and the top longerons. Check your seat parts and arm rest 6B18-1 aginst
the drawing for dimensions. These were wrong also. The rear of the side
skin should reflect the change in the wing angle. The best thing to do is borrow
the wing jigs from one of out 601 brothers. I don't believe at this point that
it is possible to get the rear wing attachment correct without the jigs. The
picture is before I got the correct skins. Notice the gap behind the attachment
point.
Its late here so I have had to keep this short. If I confused everyone I'll try
to clear it up later.
Chuck Dean
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