---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/29/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Re: 601XL Cowling (Craig Payne) 2. 12:22 AM - Re: 601XL Cowling (Peter W Johnson) 3. 03:46 AM - Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight (Pete54) 4. 06:55 AM - Re: 601XL Cowling (NYTerminat@aol.com) 5. 09:02 AM - Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight (Scotsman) 6. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:46 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: 601XL Cowling I haven't used the grommets on mine but this is how I get the camloc studs through the holes I drill. Compress the camloc and its spring with the special camloc pliers. Then you should be able to "hook" the shaft with the pin through the grommet. Try this document: www.afscamloc.net/xua/downloads/Camloc%20Quick%20Release%20Fasteners.pdf -- Craig From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL Cowling Hi Guys, I received my camlocs for the cowling from ASSC the other day. Attached is a photo. The photo shows:- 40S5-3S SS CAMLOC STUD 4002-NS CAMLOC GROMMET 214-16ND CAMLOC 4002 Receptacle How do I get the stud into the grommet. Do I have to remove the pin? If so, how? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:22 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: 601XL Cowling Craig, Thanks for that. A pair of needle nose pliers did the same thing. I was looking for a complicated solution to what is a simple problem. Thanks Peter From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2009 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: 601XL Cowling I haven't used the grommets on mine but this is how I get the camloc studs through the holes I drill. Compress the camloc and its spring with the special camloc pliers. Then you should be able to "hook" the shaft with the pin through the grommet. Try this document: www.afscamloc.net/xua/downloads/Camloc%20Quick%20Release%20Fasteners.pdf -- Craig From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL Cowling Hi Guys, I received my camlocs for the cowling from ASSC the other day. Attached is a photo. The photo shows:- 40S5-3S SS CAMLOC STUD 4002-NS CAMLOC GROMMET 214-16ND CAMLOC 4002 Receptacle How do I get the stud into the grommet. Do I have to remove the pin? If so, how? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight From: "Pete54" The beefed up parts I referred to are not those featured in the UK drawings (my apologies to those who could not read them and my thanks to the chap who has re-posted them.) >From memory it is the rear wing spar attachment points, the centre section uprights and the tailplane attachments where we have noticed differences - there may be others - these were just the areas the chap was working on an wanted to check my aircraft to get a feel for the final assembly. Then he started to measure the parts mentioned as they were so obviously different. The official reason he was given was these were changes due to the increase in mauw from 560 to 600kg. -------- Pete Morris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260338#260338 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:08 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601XL Cowling Peter, There is a tool that is used to install these. Look in the catalogue that you purchased them from. If I remember you can modify a pair of pliers to match the tool. Bob Spudis ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:03 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight From: "Scotsman" Hi Pete, do you know the thickness of the revised parts mentioned in your post above as I wanted to check against my own kit? James -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260372#260372 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:25 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight "From memory it is the rear wing spar attachment points, the centre section uprights and the tailplane attachments where we have noticed differences" Some of these changes are not particularly new and some are related to the 650 changes. The 4 large "L"s that tie the center spar to the outer skins of the fuselage (6B13-1) are shown as 0.063 inches thick on my 08/05 plans. That was an increase (form 0.040?) from my older plans. This change is listed in "ZODIAC CH 601 XL Updates included in 3rd edition 1st revision: April 2005" "6-B-13 02/05 WING JIG 1) 6B13-1 Rev. 1 change material thickness from t=.040 to t=.063 deleted bend radius = changed length from 470 to 480 (02/05)" http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/xl-update-3rd-ed-1st-rev-4-05.pdf The plate that attaches the rear spar to the fuselage (6B5-4) changed from 0.063 (08/05 plans) to 0.12. At OSH 2008 Patrick Hoyt (among others) noticed the thicker plates on the 650 and asked Caleb about it (I was standing there). Caleb said that to shift the plate on the 650 vertically (as compared to the 601XL) to changes the wing's angle of incidence the height of the plate had to be reduced. The increase in thickness was to give the plate adequate strength in its attachment to the fuselage. Caleb said it had nothing to do with strengthening the attachment between the rear spar and the plate. Below is a picture Patrick shot: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Zodiac650AtOshkosh#5243761730774797 442 This document states "Attach Plate Geometry and thickness changed to accommodate change in wing incidence angle.": "ZODIAC CH 650: Summary of changes from the Zodiac CH 601 XL (4th edition, 1/2008 drawings)" http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/data/650-drawing-list-6x-0.pdf -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete54 Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:46 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: uk 601 xl aircraft cleared for flight The beefed up parts I referred to are not those featured in the UK drawings (my apologies to those who could not read them and my thanks to the chap who has re-posted them.) >From memory it is the rear wing spar attachment points, the centre section uprights and the tailplane attachments where we have noticed differences - there may be others - these were just the areas the chap was working on an wanted to check my aircraft to get a feel for the final assembly. Then he started to measure the parts mentioned as they were so obviously different. The official reason he was given was these were changes due to the increase in mauw from 560 to 600kg. -------- Pete Morris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260338#260338 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.