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1. 10:39 AM - Battery Location 601HD (Bill Shirley Mitchell)
2. 03:12 PM - Re: Battery Location 601HD (Bill Naumuk)
3. 03:43 PM - fundamental question (Lee Steensland)
4. 03:58 PM - Re: fundamental question (NYTerminat@aol.com)
5. 04:12 PM - Re: fundamental question (Bryan Martin)
6. 05:43 PM - Re: fundamental question (Jim Belcher)
7. 06:04 PM - Re: fundamental question (Ron Lendon)
8. 06:35 PM - Re: fundamental question (Bill Naumuk)
9. 08:23 PM - Open Hangar Day (Jon Croke)
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| Subject: | Battery Location 601HD |
Anyone with a 601HD, Cont O-200 with Sensenitch metal prop. Where have you placed
your battery? I have the 8 gal header tank and wing locker tanks. Can't do
a honest W&B yet.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location 601HD |
Bill-
I have an HDS with the same fuel setup, Corvair and WarpDrive.
Location per Corvair instructions.
Try behind the passenger seat and see what you get. You should come
close, might have to go aft a bit farther. Picture attached.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Shirley Mitchell
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:37 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Battery Location 601HD
Anyone with a 601HD, Cont O-200 with Sensenitch metal prop. Where have
you placed your battery? I have the 8 gal header tank and wing locker
tanks. Can't do a honest W&B yet.
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| Subject: | fundamental question |
Guys,
I have been building for a little while now and I have something that
has been nagging me for a while now.
I noticed that the recommended pressure zenith suggests for pulling A5
and A4 rivets seems a little low to my riveter. If I set it to those
values, it won't break the stem off.
So I turn up the pressure a little until I can get it to break. So I
guess my question is, how long from the time you squeeze the trigger
until the stem breaks are people experiencing.
I can wait 20 seconds down to almost instantly. When they break off
instantly I get oddly shaped ends, so obviously that isn't correct.
What say you, netizens?
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| Subject: | Re: fundamental question |
LEE,
I used as much air as required to smoothly pull and break off the stem.
If you use too much air, the rivet gun will jerk and bounce back onto the
skin and leave marks.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX / 912S
In a message dated 9/11/2009 6:43:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
zenith-list@steensland.net writes:
--> Zenith601-List message posted by: Lee Steensland
<zenith-list@steensland.net>
Guys,
I have been building for a little while now and I have something that
has been nagging me for a while now.
I noticed that the recommended pressure zenith suggests for pulling A5
and A4 rivets seems a little low to my riveter. If I set it to those
values, it won't break the stem off.
So I turn up the pressure a little until I can get it to break. So I
guess my question is, how long from the time you squeeze the trigger
until the stem breaks are people experiencing.
I can wait 20 seconds down to almost instantly. When they break off
instantly I get oddly shaped ends, so obviously that isn't correct.
What say you, netizens?
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| Subject: | Re: fundamental question |
If you set the pressure at the tank and have a long length of hose or
a small diameter hose, the pressure may drop quite a bit at the gun.
It shouldn't take much more than a second or so to set a rivet. I
would suggest you adjust the pressure to get a clean break in about a
second
On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Lee Steensland wrote:
> >
>
> Guys,
>
> I have been building for a little while now and I have something
> that has been nagging me for a while now.
>
> I noticed that the recommended pressure zenith suggests for pulling
> A5 and A4 rivets seems a little low to my riveter. If I set it to
> those values, it won't break the stem off.
>
> So I turn up the pressure a little until I can get it to break. So I
> guess my question is, how long from the time you squeeze the trigger
> until the stem breaks are people experiencing.
>
> I can wait 20 seconds down to almost instantly. When they break off
> instantly I get oddly shaped ends, so obviously that isn't correct.
>
> What say you, netizens?
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: fundamental question |
I can't say I had the exact same problem, but I had the same symptoms. In my
case, I needed to service the fluid level in the gun. That raised the
pressure, and the stems poppe right off.
On Friday 11 September 2009 17:28, Lee Steensland wrote:
> <zenith-list@steensland.net>
>
> Guys,
>
> I have been building for a little while now and I have something that
> has been nagging me for a while now.
>
> I noticed that the recommended pressure zenith suggests for pulling A5
> and A4 rivets seems a little low to my riveter. If I set it to those
> values, it won't break the stem off.
>
> So I turn up the pressure a little until I can get it to break. So I
> guess my question is, how long from the time you squeeze the trigger
> until the stem breaks are people experiencing.
>
> I can wait 20 seconds down to almost instantly. When they break off
> instantly I get oddly shaped ends, so obviously that isn't correct.
>
> What say you, netizens?
>
>
--
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Do not archive.
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon
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| Subject: | Re: fundamental question |
I set my pressure so I have time to hold the rivet to the surface, pull it tight,
reverse my hold (so I'm pulling away) when it breaks the stem.
Never timed it, but maybe 3 seconds.
When I pull away as it pops the stem, it leaves no marks and doesn't bounce.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262661#262661
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| Subject: | Re: fundamental question |
I second this recommendation.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: fundamental question
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> If you set the pressure at the tank and have a long length of hose or a
> small diameter hose, the pressure may drop quite a bit at the gun. It
> shouldn't take much more than a second or so to set a rivet. I would
> suggest you adjust the pressure to get a clean break in about a second
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Lee Steensland wrote:
>
>> <zenith-list@steensland.net
>> >
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I have been building for a little while now and I have something that
>> has been nagging me for a while now.
>>
>> I noticed that the recommended pressure zenith suggests for pulling A5
>> and A4 rivets seems a little low to my riveter. If I set it to those
>> values, it won't break the stem off.
>>
>> So I turn up the pressure a little until I can get it to break. So I
>> guess my question is, how long from the time you squeeze the trigger
>> until the stem breaks are people experiencing.
>>
>> I can wait 20 seconds down to almost instantly. When they break off
>> instantly I get oddly shaped ends, so obviously that isn't correct.
>>
>> What say you, netizens?
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
>
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Zenith Aircraft Company's 18th Annual
OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering
Saturday, September 19, 2009
Mexico Memorial Airport, Mexico, Missouri
You're invited to Zenith Aircraft Company's 18th
annual OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering on Saturday, September 19,
2009, at the factory located at Mexico Memorial Airport in Mexico,
Missouri. Aviation enthusiasts are welcome to drive or fly-in for the
day. The Zenith Aircraft kit production facilities will be open for
factory tours and Zenith's factory-demonstrator kit aircraft will be on
display. Company staff will demonstrate kit production and fabrication
techniques used in producing the all-metal kit aircraft parts made at
the Zenith Aircraft factory.
*** Click here to view scenes from the 2008 Open
Hangar Day ***
We have many activities planned, including a series of
hands-on educational and informative workshops for existing Zenith
aircraft owners and builders, as well as new builders just getting
started (or just thinking of starting to build and fly their own
aircraft).
Beginning on Friday afternoon we'll present several
workshops in the factory, including a workshop on Dynon avionics,
scratch building, Jabiru engines, and seminar on pre-flighting your
Zenith aircraft, continuing with shorter seminars on Saturday morning.
Back by popular demand, we've scheduled an informal Zenith Banquet at
the Mexico Country Club on Friday evening. Click here for the schedule
of events.
Saturday, September 19, activities:
The Zenith Aircraft factory will be open from 8:00 am
- 3:00 pm for self-guided factory tours, demonstrations, and more.
Ongoing activities on Saturday include:
Hands-on Workshop: Back by popular demand,
visitors will be given the opportunity to build their own all-metal
large format (11"x17") binder for the Zenith plans (drawings) set from
aluminum parts fabricated in the Zenith factory.
Garmin Avionics, the leader in light aircraft
GPS and avionics systems, will be on hand to show the latest Garmin
products for light sport aircraft including the new GSX flight deck.
Tim Casey, Garmin's sales manager for portables, LSA, and Experimental
Aviation Markets, will answer questions on installing and operating
Garmin avionics in Zenith aircraft.
William Wynne, Corvair engine guru and the man
behind FlyCorvair.com is planning to attend to discuss the Corvair auto
engine conversions in the STOL CH 750 and ZODIAC CH 650.
Dynon Avionics will showcase the latest
innovations and features available from Dynon, including their new
SkyView system. Kirk Kleinholz and Mike Huff from the Dynon factory
will be on hand to discuss installation and operation of the popular
"glass panels" from Dynon Avionics.
Scott Wicks of Wick's Aircraft Supplies will
hand out catalogs and showcase some of the builder supplies offered by
Wick's (a large selection of aircraft building materials and hardware,
tools, and accessories).
HomebuiltHelp.com offers a complete line of
"how-to" videos available on DVD, and will have the DVDs available for
preview and purchase.
Jon Croke, editor of the "Zenair Newsletter,"
will be available to sell back issues of the newsletter, renew your
subscription, and interview builders and suppliers for future issues.
The official newsletter is published six times per year, and each issue
comes with a companion DVD.
AeroLED, the maker of new super-bright LED
lights, will be on hand to show the latest LED (light emitting diode)
aircraft lights, including wingtip mounted strobe / nav lights as well
as an assortment of new landing lights.
Gus Warren of FlyWithGus.net will attend with a
lightweight ULpower engine, and will be on hand to discuss this modern
new European aircraft engine.
Geoff Downey will share information about EAA,
the Experimental Aircraft Association, and the annual AirVenture fly-in
convention held in Oshkosh...
Jabiru Aircraft Engines: Jabiru USA will be on
hand to show you why the Jabiru engines are popular with Zenith
builders, and factory reps will be available to answer your engine
installation, operation, and maintenance questions.
a.. Kit aircraft fabrication demonstrations in the
Zenith factory: Cutting and pre-drilling kit parts on the CNC router;
Forming and hand finishing wing ribs and other kit parts; Aircraft
aluminum welding demonstrations, and more. We'll also have complete
aircraft kits and parts on hand.
Factory demonstrator aircraft:
The popular Zodiac, STOL CH 701, STOL CH 750 and
STOL CH 801 factory demonstrator aircraft will be parked at the factory.
Food and refreshments: Local EAA chapter 1225 will
provide a hot lunch at noon on Saturday, September 19, sponsored by
Zenith Aircraft Company. Zenith will also have complimentary coffee and
donuts available in the morning.
Hundreds of builders and enthusiasts attended last
year's Open Hangar Day in Mexico, Missouri. The gathering is an
excellent opportunity for owners and builders of Zenith Aircraft kits to
meet each other and to tour the Zenith Aircraft facilities.
Located in scenic mid-Missouri, all pilots and
aviation enthusiasts are invited to drive or fly in to attend Zenith
Aircraft Co.'s annual 'Open Hangar and Fly-In' day. For more information
on attending, please call Zenith Aircraft at (573) 581-9000 or the
Mexico Airport at (573) 581-0162.
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Following are a few photos from the 2008 Open Hangar
Day. Click here for more
Discussing engine installations.
Thanks to great weather, several dozen Zeniths flew in
to the Open Hangar day.
Workshops and seminars kept builders busy all day.
Local Mexico EAA chapter 1225 volunteers cooked pork
steaks for lunch....
Owners of completed Zenith Aircraft flew in for the
activities and to show off their completed projects to fellow builders.
Friday evening Zenith banquet - the dinner buffet was
enjoyed by more than 135 builders and Zenith employees on Friday evening
prior to the Open Hangar Day.
Builders and their planes pose in front of the Zenith
factory for the traditional group photo: Join us and be part of our
annual Zenith Group Photo at 10:30 on Saturday morning. We'll try to
include as many Zeniths as possible in the group photo.
Builders were given the opportunity to "build their
own" all-metal large format (11x17) binder for the Zenith plans set.
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a.. Visiting the factory (directions, accommodations,
etc.)
b.. Detailed Map | Download Map
c.. About Zenith Aircraft Co.
d.. Other Events
e.. Scenes from last year's Open Hangar Day (2008)
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