---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/05/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: Parts that do not fit. (Alan and Brenda) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Parts that do not fit. (Alan and Brenda) 3. 05:19 AM - Zodiac 601 Flutter Modifications UK (alsmith) 4. 05:22 AM - Mods in the UK (Frank Derfler) 5. 05:36 AM - Re: Mods in the UK (Carlos Sa) 6. 05:46 AM - Re: Mods in the UK (alsmith) 7. 06:02 AM - Re: Mods in the UK (jaybannist@cs.com) 8. 06:18 AM - Re: Mods in the UK (Malcolm Hunt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:33 AM PST US From: "Alan and Brenda" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Parts that do not fit. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/engineering.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Parts that do not fit. > > Hi Greg, > > I found I was very unhappy with the pre-drilled holes from Zenith on > just about all the parts. When ordering replacements I ordered them > without the holes drilled. They were very happy to comply. I found > it much easier to drill the holes myself. > > You might consider replacing some of the parts with scratch built > ones. I don't know about your market, but I suspect you can get > sheets of 6061-T6 where you are. It might not be very satisfying > from a financial point of view, but I predict you will feel just fine > about the accomplishment of building your own parts from > scratch. You already have the advantage of seeing what "Nearly" > correct parts look like and you have all the dimensions on your drawings. > > The spar carry-through is one of those places I would demand a > correct part from Zenith. It is the heaviest load bearing part > (along with the wing spars) on the plane. You may find you can bend > it a little to match up with the rest of your plane. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL awaiting engineering changes > > > At 03:52 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: > >>I am building a CH650 in Australia and have found that my center >>wing spar is the wrong angle (XL601) and that the front fuselage >>side skins are also wrong (a mix of XL601 outer dimensions and CH650 >>pre drilled holes). As it will take some time for replacement parts >>to arrive down under, I would be interested to hear from anyone that >>is further along with the build (either CH650 or late XL601) that >>may be able to advise of other parts that are not correct so that I >>may have them all sent to me in one shipment. I believe that there >>may be an issue with the seat bottom? and maybe the top skin? >> >>Regards, >> >> >>Greg > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:27 AM PST US From: "Alan and Brenda" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Parts that do not fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Parts that do not fit. > > Hi Greg, > > I found I was very unhappy with the pre-drilled holes from Zenith on > just about all the parts. When ordering replacements I ordered them > without the holes drilled. They were very happy to comply. I found > it much easier to drill the holes myself. > > You might consider replacing some of the parts with scratch built > ones. I don't know about your market, but I suspect you can get > sheets of 6061-T6 where you are. It might not be very satisfying > from a financial point of view, but I predict you will feel just fine > about the accomplishment of building your own parts from > scratch. You already have the advantage of seeing what "Nearly" > correct parts look like and you have all the dimensions on your drawings. > > The spar carry-through is one of those places I would demand a > correct part from Zenith. It is the heaviest load bearing part > (along with the wing spars) on the plane. You may find you can bend > it a little to match up with the rest of your plane. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL awaiting engineering changes > > > At 03:52 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: > >>I am building a CH650 in Australia and have found that my center >>wing spar is the wrong angle (XL601) and that the front fuselage >>side skins are also wrong (a mix of XL601 outer dimensions and CH650 >>pre drilled holes). As it will take some time for replacement parts >>to arrive down under, I would be interested to hear from anyone that >>is further along with the build (either CH650 or late XL601) that >>may be able to advise of other parts that are not correct so that I >>may have them all sent to me in one shipment. I believe that there >>may be an issue with the seat bottom? and maybe the top skin? >> >>Regards, >> >> >>Greg > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Zodiac 601 Flutter Modifications UK From: "alsmith" Thought this link would be interesting to the community. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/engineering.html Al Smith KEOS Building a CH-650 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266554#266554 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Mods in the UK From: Frank Derfler I was reading the UK mods with great interest. In the section describing the brackets the text says: "9. The additional stiffening angles are manufactured per figure 2. Note that the stiffeners are handed." Could I please admit total ignorance and get a translation from the British? "Stiffners are handed." means what? Frank Derfler, Islamorada, FL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Mods in the UK From: Carlos Sa Here's a wild guess: they are different, left from right...? Carlos CH601-HD, plans 2009/10/5 Frank Derfler > I was reading the UK mods with great interest. In the section describing > the brackets the text says: > > "9. The additional stiffening angles are manufactured per figure 2. Note > that the stiffeners are handed." > > Could I please admit total ignorance and get a translation from the > British? "Stiffners are handed." means what? > > Frank Derfler, Islamorada, FL > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Mods in the UK From: "alsmith" I believe the angles are positioned to match from the front and rear mounting positions on the Center Spar. Al Smith KEOS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266560#266560 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Mods in the UK From: jaybannist@cs.com Frank, That's not a Brit thing.? I have used it many times myself.? It means that some are made to go only on the left hand side and others on the right hand side; thus they are "handed". Jay Bannister. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Derfler Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 6:37 am Subject: Zenith601-List: Mods in the UK I was reading the UK mods with great interest.? In the section describing the brackets the text says:? "9. The additional stiffening angles are manufactured per figure 2. Note that the stiffeners are handed." Could I please admit?total ignorance and get a translation from the British?? "Stiffners are handed."? means what??? Frank Derfler, Islamorada, FL ? ? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:32 AM PST US From: "Malcolm Hunt" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Mods in the UK Frank The term handed is used on drawings in the UK and means that the 'handed' part is a mirror image to part as drawn. Hope this helps. Malcolm Hunt CH601XL Plans Builder in England ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Mods in the UK Here's a wild guess: they are different, left from right...? Carlos CH601-HD, plans 2009/10/5 Frank Derfler I was reading the UK mods with great interest. In the section describing the brackets the text says: "9. The additional stiffening angles are manufactured per figure 2. Note that the stiffeners are handed." Could I please admit total ignorance and get a translation from the British? "Stiffners are handed." means what? 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