---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/15/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:47 AM - Re: Grove gear (BobTezyk) 2. 09:51 AM - ATTENTION west-coast XL owners: 601XL upgrade workshop at Quality Sportplanes in northern California (Craig Payne) 3. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 4. 03:44 PM - Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (chris Sinfield) 5. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 6. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (Karl Polifka) 7. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 8. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (Karl Polifka) 9. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (fritz) 10. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 11. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (Bill Naumuk) 12. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 13. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 14. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" (ernie) 15. 10:33 PM - LAA MODS (Terry Turnquist) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Grove gear From: "BobTezyk" Hi Rick, I bought the Grove gear for my XL. The gear comes drilled with wheel mounting holes. I also got it gun drilled for the brake lines. In order for the gear to fit, you will need to buy or build lower adapters to mount the gear in the standard Zenith upper gear channel hardware. You can buy the adapters from Zenair Ltd in Canada. The price I paid with shipping, etc was $185. Pricey but done right. The price will vary with the current exchange rate. You mount it toward the front to move the balance point forward, thus making the plane a little more tail heavy on loading and rotation. The gear needs to be notched just like the Zenith gear. Keep in mind that this gear is not 6061 but a 707x alloy that is much more susceptible to corrosion. Therefore, you should plan to at least prime it as soon as you get it for protection. I can say from the experience of a forced landing in another XL with standard gear a few weeks ago that if I was able to keep the nose up a little longer, the nose gear would not have folded under the the plane and I would have sustained no damage. Of course, the last statement is based on the assumption that the Grove gear adapters are strong enough to prevent the rotation of the main gear within the clamps under that type of force. Nothing is for sure until you test it to its limits. Hope that helps. Bob Tezyk Midlothian, TX 601XL QB Jab 3300 Working on the wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272896#272896 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:31 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith601-List: ATTENTION west-coast XL owners: 601XL upgrade workshop at Quality Sportplanes in northern California This was posted on the Zenith.aero blog about the upgrade: "I've just heard from Doug and Lori Dugger of Quality Sport Planes (in Cloverdale, California) that they will host a free "Upgrade Workshop" during the upcoming November 20-22 weekend. This is one more way for Zodiac XL builders, owners, and pilots to get assistance with the new upgrades required for their aircraft. For more information, contact Quality Sport Planes. RSVP to (707) 894-4084. Thanks Lori and Doug for hosting this workshop!" I found this confirmation on QSP's web site: http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_004.htm Doug Dugger will be doing the work on his own XL. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie You can look at youtube for people looping etc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8GcFqTpYM&feature=PlayList&p=32B018313B146EA6&index=6 Just search for 601xl looping if the link does not work Read the pdf I posted, I bet that 601 has stronger wings (more ribs) than the XL and that pilot rip off the wings. E. >Ron, what you say is true, but why is this airplane the only home built that the wings rip off on a >regular basis? XL pilots as a group must be the worlds worst pilots! Maybe we all need a >personality test to make sure we all don't have a death wish. >Terry Turnquist Do not archive On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM, chris Sinfield wrote: > > note > > the above report is not for a current zodiac XL its for an older 601 > have a look at the wing structure. > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272845#272845 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: "chris Sinfield" 1 G is 1 G IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up you can loop and roll most planes. Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an LSA. 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is lost. remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were designed. Chris Zodiac XL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie Yep, Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. E. Do not archive On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield wrote: > > 1 G is 1 G > IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up you can loop and roll most planes. > > Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. > > Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an LSA. > 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is lost. > > remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were designed. > > Chris > Zodiac XL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:48 PM PST US From: "Karl Polifka" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" Absolutely true -- which seems to get ignored in too many posts on this forum and, unfortunately, in practice. Karl -------------------------------------------------- From: "chris Sinfield" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" > > > 1 G is 1 G > IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up > you can loop and roll most planes. > > Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. > > Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an LSA. > 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is lost. > > remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were > designed. > > Chris > Zodiac XL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie Chris http://avstop.com/AC/5.html Loop has about 3 g's. and some -g's Oh if that only you dont f anything up E. Do not archive On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield wrote: > > 1 G is 1 G > IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up you can loop and roll most planes. > > Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. > > Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an LSA. > 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is lost. > > remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were designed. > > Chris > Zodiac XL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:00 PM PST US From: "Karl Polifka" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" Ernie, There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. Karl -------------------------------------------------- From: "ernie" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" > > Yep, > Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. > E. > Do not archive > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield > wrote: >> >> >> 1 G is 1 G >> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >> you can loop and roll most planes. >> >> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >> >> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an LSA. >> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is lost. >> >> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >> designed. >> >> Chris >> Zodiac XL >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:00 PM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" I think you'll find that pilot (Johnson?) only got his butt chewed. Fritz -- do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Polifka" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" > > > Ernie, > > There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, > that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, > cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. > > Karl > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ernie" > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or > immediate" > >> >> Yep, >> Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. >> E. >> Do not archive >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> 1 G is 1 G >>> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >>> you can loop and roll most planes. >>> >>> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >>> >>> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an >>> LSA. >>> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is >>> lost. >>> >>> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >>> designed. >>> >>> Chris >>> Zodiac XL >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie Karl, I think they told him not to do it again. I got that from TV show with the WWII ace, Hover, (SP)? that fills his coffee cup doing a roll. Cool stuff. E Do not archive On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Karl Polifka wrote: > > > Ernie, > > There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, > that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, > cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. > > Karl > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ernie" > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or > immediate" > >> >> Yep, >> Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. >> E. >> Do not archive >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1 G is 1 G >>> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >>> you can loop and roll most planes. >>> >>> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >>> >>> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an LSA. >>> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is lost. >>> >>> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >>> designed. >>> >>> Chris >>> Zodiac XL >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" Your're comparing apples and cumquats. The coffee trick was performed by Bob Hoover, one of the top 5 test pilots of all time. He didn't pull that stunt out of his butt- it was part of the airshow routine paid for by Rockwell, who built the plane he was flying and employed him to fly it. All speeds and G loads were calculated in advance, and practiced while wearing a chute and usually with a backup pilot. I don't think it classifies as a "Stupid pilot trick", and the 707 roll didn't either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernie" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" > > Karl, > I think they told him not to do it again. I got that from TV show with > the WWII ace, Hover, (SP)? that fills his coffee cup doing a roll. > Cool stuff. > E > Do not archive > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Karl Polifka > wrote: >> >> >> Ernie, >> >> There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, >> that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, >> cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. >> >> Karl >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "ernie" >> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or >> immediate" >> >>> >>> Yep, >>> Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. >>> E. >>> Do not archive >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1 G is 1 G >>>> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >>>> you can loop and roll most planes. >>>> >>>> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >>>> >>>> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an >>>> LSA. >>>> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is >>>> lost. >>>> >>>> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >>>> designed. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> Zodiac XL >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie I was not comparing anything. Sorry. the other poster mistook the g load of a loop as a 1 g load of a roll, which took us to Hoover and the coffee trick. And if "most" 601 pilots try it I would think it is a stupid pilot trick. do not archive. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: > > Your're comparing apples and cumquats. > The coffee trick was performed by Bob Hoover, one of the top 5 test > pilots of all time. He didn't pull that stunt out of his butt- it was part > of the airshow routine paid for by Rockwell, who built the plane he was > flying and employed him to fly it. All speeds and G loads were calculated in > advance, and practiced while wearing a chute and usually with a backup > pilot. I don't think it classifies as a "Stupid pilot trick", and the 707 > roll didn't either. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernie" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or > immediate" > > >> >> Karl, >> I think they told him not to do it again. I got that from TV show with >> the WWII ace, Hover, (SP)? that fills his coffee cup doing a roll. >> Cool stuff. >> E >> Do not archive >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Karl Polifka >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Ernie, >>> >>> There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, >>> that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, >>> cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "ernie" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or >>> immediate" >>> >>>> >>>> Yep, >>>> Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. >>>> E. >>>> Do not archive >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1 G is 1 G >>>>> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >>>>> you can loop and roll most planes. >>>>> >>>>> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >>>>> >>>>> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an >>>>> LSA. >>>>> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is >>>>> lost. >>>>> >>>>> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >>>>> designed. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> Zodiac XL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie Look what we are dealing with >1 G is 1 G >IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up you can loop and roll most >planes. If I was the NTSB i would be saying to the FAA, why did you think you were doing with light sport. You know why they teach turns around a point do get your ticket right? .. .. to many pilots crashing while circling their house. E Do not archive. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: > > Your're comparing apples and cumquats. > The coffee trick was performed by Bob Hoover, one of the top 5 test > pilots of all time. He didn't pull that stunt out of his butt- it was part > of the airshow routine paid for by Rockwell, who built the plane he was > flying and employed him to fly it. All speeds and G loads were calculated in > advance, and practiced while wearing a chute and usually with a backup > pilot. I don't think it classifies as a "Stupid pilot trick", and the 707 > roll didn't either. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernie" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or > immediate" > > >> >> Karl, >> I think they told him not to do it again. I got that from TV show with >> the WWII ace, Hover, (SP)? that fills his coffee cup doing a roll. >> Cool stuff. >> E >> Do not archive >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Karl Polifka >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Ernie, >>> >>> There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, >>> that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, >>> cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "ernie" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or >>> immediate" >>> >>>> >>>> Yep, >>>> Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. >>>> E. >>>> Do not archive >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1 G is 1 G >>>>> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >>>>> you can loop and roll most planes. >>>>> >>>>> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >>>>> >>>>> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an >>>>> LSA. >>>>> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is >>>>> lost. >>>>> >>>>> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >>>>> designed. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> Zodiac XL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or immediate" From: ernie Hello, Looking at the web version of the matronics list, I normally get it via email. I see the answer to the why we are taught turns around a point to get our private pilot licence, did not come though. It is because to many pilots crash while circling their own house during a fly by or buzz job. I got my ticket in 1990, and I have read too many of this reports. Before the XL. Back then we did not post things on youtube back then, back then when I rented the plane I worried what the last pilot did with it. Did he think anyone with flying skills could be a Bob Hoover? Part 23 gave more margin. The FAA wanted industry to build a better and cheaper plane. Older planes were over built. Now we are overbuilding the XL, and nobody sees it. Does the whole LSA Spec need to change for pilots who are going to , loop, buzz, and beat their machines until they fall apart? How many loops does it take to break a XL? Good Loops, not ones that you pull too hard on the "light controls". Most people blame lawsuits for killing GA or part 23. Is this the first shot at LSA? Do not archive On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:20 PM, ernie wrote: > Look what we are dealing with > >>1 G is 1 G >>IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up you can loop and roll most >planes. > > If I was the NTSB i would be saying to the FAA, why did you think you > were doing with light sport. > > You know why they teach turns around a point do get your ticket right? > . > . > to many pilots crashing while circling their house. > > E > Do not archive. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: >> >> Your're comparing apples and cumquats. >> The coffee trick was performed by Bob Hoover, one of the top 5 test >> pilots of all time. He didn't pull that stunt out of his butt- it was part >> of the airshow routine paid for by Rockwell, who built the plane he was >> flying and employed him to fly it. All speeds and G loads were calculated in >> advance, and practiced while wearing a chute and usually with a backup >> pilot. I don't think it classifies as a "Stupid pilot trick", and the 707 >> roll didn't either. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernie" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or >> immediate" >> >> >>> >>> Karl, >>> I think they told him not to do it again. I got that from TV show with >>> the WWII ace, Hover, (SP)? that fills his coffee cup doing a roll. >>> Cool stuff. >>> E >>> Do not archive >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Karl Polifka >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ernie, >>>> >>>> There a quite a few stupid pilot tricks described on this website. BTW, >>>> that 707 roll sold a lot of airplanes. It also, if I remember correctly, >>>> cost the pilot his job -- but I may be wrong on that. >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "ernie" >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:57 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith test results "fractures or >>>> immediate" >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yep, >>>>> Nobody out there is doing stupid pilot tricks. >>>>> E. >>>>> Do not archive >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, chris Sinfield >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 G is 1 G >>>>>> IF you know what you are doing and have the flying skills to back it up >>>>>> you can loop and roll most planes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Haver a look at the B707 being rolled over Seattle he was a test pilot. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most people do not have the skills and knowledge to roll and loop an >>>>>> LSA. >>>>>> 1G can easily turn into 6+ G's and then the structural integrity is >>>>>> lost. >>>>>> >>>>>> remember they are good LSA planes fly them and treat them as they were >>>>>> designed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> Zodiac XL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272959#272959 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:44 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Zenith601-List: LAA MODS My emailed copy of the LAA Mods was OK except page 4 (balanced aileron) arrived very fuzzy and prints the same way..unreadable. Could someone with a sharp copy please send it to me? I guess it's time for me to quit whining and start making the changes. Thanks. 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