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0. 12:17 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 08:18 AM - Re: insurance ()
2. 12:50 PM - Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod (Louie928)
3. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod (Rick Lindstrom)
4. 05:35 PM - Re: spar and wing mods (Sabrina)
5. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod (Terry Phillips)
6. 08:15 PM - Re: canopy latch (chris Sinfield)
7. 08:21 PM - what is 6B13-2?? (chris Sinfield)
8. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod (LHusky@aol.com)
9. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod (Rick Lindstrom)
10. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod (LHusky@aol.com)
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| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
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The paitent is always responsible for the bill regardless if he has
insurance or not
David M.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of qualheima
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: insurance
<qualheimaboucher@yahoo.in>
If health insurance is refusing to pay for something they should, is the
patient ultimately liable? Would this be a matter directly between the
hospital and the insurance company? Or is this a matter where the hospital
holds the patient liable, and the patient holds insurance company liable?
Thanks for the help.
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i need help
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod |
Rick,
I'll be interested in a Grove gear if I can't get the composite gear. The composite
is my first choice, but I'm having trouble getting in contact with ComLet.
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Louis W. Ott
601XL beginner Quick Build
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod |
I haven't totally rejected the composite gear, I'd just like to know more about
it (given CZAW history with other items). Maybe someone has some history they'd
like to share?
Mathieu at Zenair said he'd be willing to discount the adapter blocks for the Grove
gear, if we did a group buy. He said he'd provide both side somewhere in
the $150 neighborhood.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Louie928 <louieo@gorge.net>
>Sent: Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod
>
>
>Rick,
>I'll be interested in a Grove gear if I can't get the composite gear. The composite
is my first choice, but I'm having trouble getting in contact with ComLet.
>
>--------
>Louis W. Ott
>
>601XL beginner Quick Build
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273596#273596
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spar and wing mods |
Terry/William: Has ZBAG had the chance to run the new upgraded design through
the computer model used by your engineer?
Mathieu: Has AMD test flown an upgraded aircraft yet?
All: Any comments on my proposed wire bracing? Placing support at station 8 rather
than inboard may look ugly but the math sure seems to work out better.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod |
That sounds like a good price to me, assuming that he is talking about the
complete CZAW attachment package. I have been collecting information on the
CZAW gear attachment. I'll attach a couple of photos that I got courtesy of
Martin Pohl. One thing that I hadn't anticipated is that there appears to
be a steel channel all the way across the bottom of fuselage. That would
probably take something away from the weight advantage of the composite
gear, but I don't know how much. Another thing is that the CZAW axle mount
includes a standoff. Presumably that is to provide a bit of separation
between the gear leg and the (potentially) hot brake disk. Note the
composite gear leg does not go inside the wheel pants, unlike the standard
aluminum gear. Hopefully, Mat would include that in the package.
Terry
At 04:08 PM 11/18/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>I haven't totally rejected the composite gear, I'd just like to know more
>about it (given CZAW history with other items). Maybe someone has some
>history they'd like to share?
>
>Mathieu at Zenair said he'd be willing to discount the adapter blocks for
>the Grove gear, if we did a group buy. He said he'd provide both side
>somewhere in the $150 neighborhood.
>
>Rick
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
Balancing the ailerons and working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: canopy latch |
you don't say which model it is for and there are secondary latches for the older
XL around.
what are you after???
Chris
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| Subject: | what is 6B13-2?? |
having a look at the DRAFT upgrades on page 2 top RH corner ,Center spar + wing
it lists a part called 6B13-2.. Now my plans don't have a -2 only 6B13-1
I thought I had all the updates .. does this part exist on page 6B13???
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod |
I have a complete set of CZAW landing gear. I have all the attachments,
wheels, wheel pants and the lightweight gold wheels that comes with the CZAW
planes, front strut and everything needed to install. The steel channel
your talking about is not steel. It is just a gear channel, just like the
one for the standard gear. The difference is the depth of this channel. The
standard channel that comes with a US kit will not work with the composite
gear. A new channel will have to be made. I am looking for that channel
now, or I will sell my gear and stick the Zenith gear back on. As far as
any additional weight, the only attachment that is different is 2
attachments that go inside the channel and 4 aluminum stiffeners that go along
the
channel inside the cabin. As far as weight savings, I have both sets on hand
and it is 31 lbs savings on weight. If you would like some more details
on the attachments, email me off list and I will send them to you. I have
pictures of the attachments and everything else.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 11/18/2009 8:07:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ttp44@rkymtn.net writes:
That sounds like a good price to me, assuming that he is talking about the
complete CZAW attachment package. I have been collecting information on
the
CZAW gear attachment. I'll attach a couple of photos that I got courtesy
of
Martin Pohl. One thing that I hadn't anticipated is that there appears to
be a steel channel all the way across the bottom of fuselage. That would
probably take something away from the weight advantage of the composite
gear, but I don't know how much. Another thing is that the CZAW axle mount
includes a standoff. Presumably that is to provide a bit of separation
between the gear leg and the (potentially) hot brake disk. Note the
composite gear leg does not go inside the wheel pants, unlike the standard
aluminum gear. Hopefully, Mat would include that in the package.
Terry
At 04:08 PM 11/18/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>I haven't totally rejected the composite gear, I'd just like to know more
>about it (given CZAW history with other items). Maybe someone has some
>history they'd like to share?
>
>Mathieu at Zenair said he'd be willing to discount the adapter blocks for
>the Grove gear, if we did a group buy. He said he'd provide both side
>somewhere in the $150 neighborhood.
>
>Rick
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
Balancing the ailerons and working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod |
Hi, Terry, and thanks for the photos! They really do explain what the composite
gear is all about in the 601 installation. I can certainly see how this configuration
saves beaucoup weight over the stock, or even Grove, metal gear.
Certainly not as visually clean an installation, what with the axle stand-off,
but it's always about trade-offs, isn't it? I can't tell if the installation is
all blind rivets and bolts, or if there are solid rivets through the outer brackets.
Thanks again for taking the time to elevate the discussion. I learn something new
here every day.
Rick
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>Sent: Nov 18, 2009 10:46 PM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod
>
>That sounds like a good price to me, assuming that he is talking about the
>complete CZAW attachment package. I have been collecting information on the
>CZAW gear attachment. I'll attach a couple of photos that I got courtesy of
>Martin Pohl. One thing that I hadn't anticipated is that there appears to
>be a steel channel all the way across the bottom of fuselage. That would
>probably take something away from the weight advantage of the composite
>gear, but I don't know how much. Another thing is that the CZAW axle mount
>includes a standoff. Presumably that is to provide a bit of separation
>between the gear leg and the (potentially) hot brake disk. Note the
>composite gear leg does not go inside the wheel pants, unlike the standard
>aluminum gear. Hopefully, Mat would include that in the package.
>
>Terry
>
>At 04:08 PM 11/18/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>>I haven't totally rejected the composite gear, I'd just like to know more
>>about it (given CZAW history with other items). Maybe someone has some
>>history they'd like to share?
>>
>>Mathieu at Zenair said he'd be willing to discount the adapter blocks for
>>the Grove gear, if we did a group buy. He said he'd provide both side
>>somewhere in the $150 neighborhood.
>>
>>Rick
>
>
>Terry Phillips ZBAGer
>ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
>Corvallis MT
>ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
>Balancing the ailerons and working on the wings
>http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod |
No solid rivets. It attaches the same way the Zenith attachments attach
per the CZAW plans.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 11/18/2009 8:39:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tigerrick@mindspring.com writes:
--> Zenith601-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Hi, Terry, and thanks for the photos! They really do explain what the
composite gear is all about in the 601 installation. I can certainly see how
this configuration saves beaucoup weight over the stock, or even Grove, metal
gear.
Certainly not as visually clean an installation, what with the axle
stand-off, but it's always about trade-offs, isn't it? I can't tell if the
installation is all blind rivets and bolts, or if there are solid rivets through
the outer brackets.
Thanks again for taking the time to elevate the discussion. I learn
something new here every day.
Rick
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>Sent: Nov 18, 2009 10:46 PM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith 601/650 Upgrades, Grove Gear Mod
>
>That sounds like a good price to me, assuming that he is talking about
the
>complete CZAW attachment package. I have been collecting information on
the
>CZAW gear attachment. I'll attach a couple of photos that I got courtesy
of
>Martin Pohl. One thing that I hadn't anticipated is that there appears to
>be a steel channel all the way across the bottom of fuselage. That would
>probably take something away from the weight advantage of the composite
>gear, but I don't know how much. Another thing is that the CZAW axle
mount
>includes a standoff. Presumably that is to provide a bit of separation
>between the gear leg and the (potentially) hot brake disk. Note the
>composite gear leg does not go inside the wheel pants, unlike the
standard
>aluminum gear. Hopefully, Mat would include that in the package.
>
>Terry
>
>At 04:08 PM 11/18/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>>I haven't totally rejected the composite gear, I'd just like to know
more
>>about it (given CZAW history with other items). Maybe someone has some
>>history they'd like to share?
>>
>>Mathieu at Zenair said he'd be willing to discount the adapter blocks
for
>>the Grove gear, if we did a group buy. He said he'd provide both side
>>somewhere in the $150 neighborhood.
>>
>>Rick
>
>
>Terry Phillips ZBAGer
>ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
>Corvallis MT
>ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
>Balancing the ailerons and working on the wings
>http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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