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1. 12:26 AM - Rivet Sets? (Don Merritt)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Rivet Sets? (Karl Polifka)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Rivet Sets? (Terry Phillips)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Rivet Sets? (mhubel)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Rivet Sets? (Jim Belcher)
6. 07:11 AM - Re: Rivet Sets? (Carlos Sa)
7. 12:08 PM - Re: Rivet Sets? (eddies)
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Can anyone tell me what size rivet sets to order for the 601upgrade? I
need to know so I can order some from acs to practice on. I have ordered my
upgrade kit but as a non AMD and non flying=2C I think it will be awhile b
efore I get my kit.
Also=2C I am opening my engine box tomorrow and would like some suggestions
on mounting the engine.
1. The upgrade will take a while so mount engine and support airplane on ta
il=2C landing gear and raise engine on lift to remove center spar?
2. The upgrade kit will come soon so wait till the upgrade is done before p
utting on engine.
I have tried to called Mexico but can never seem to get through.
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Zenith told me the rivets came with the kit.
Karl
From: Don Merritt
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:25 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Rivet Sets?
Can anyone tell me what size rivet sets to order for the 601upgrade?
I need to know so I can order some from acs to practice on. I have
ordered my upgrade kit but as a non AMD and non flying, I think it will
be awhile before I get my kit.
Also, I am opening my engine box tomorrow and would like some
suggestions on mounting the engine.
1. The upgrade will take a while so mount engine and support airplane on
tail, landing gear and raise engine on lift to remove center spar?
2. The upgrade kit will come soon so wait till the upgrade is done
before putting on engine.
I have tried to called Mexico but can never seem to get through.
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Don
I think that ones you absolutely need are 3/16 and 5/32 universal head
(AN470) sets and, of course, a bucking bar and a 3X or so rivet gun. I also
bought a 1/8" universal head set so that I could sub 1/8" solid rivets for
the Avex rivets in places where I'd like a bit of extra strength. (Note
that this substitution was blessed by CH many years ago in a Zenair News
article.) I found a Bingellis article with some useful info:
http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1993_05_11.pdf
Bingellis recommends a 5 lb bucking bar for the 3/16 rivets. I haven't seen
any that heavy, and I was thinking of using a sledge hammer instead.
I haven't seen an upgrade tool list published. With Christmas around the
corner, that's too bad. It's always nice getting useful tools for
Christmas. It looks to me that in addition to the riveting tools, we'll
also need long reach clecos in 3/16 and 5/32. I also ordered a rivet
removal tool that is basically a drill guide. Hopefully it will reduce the
chances of damaging the rivet holes in the spar. Brown Tool sells the rivet
removal tool and they also have some surplus long reach clecos, rivet sets,
and 3/16" punches for your rivet gun. I have had good luck with their
surplus tools.
I bought some 1/8" and 1/4" aluminum bars from a local supplier that I will
use for riveting practice. I hope to make my mistakes on those bars rather
than on my spar. I can also practice removing the rivets from the bars and
use the bars over and over for more practice. I'm buying the practice
rivets from Spruce.
Good luck with your upgrade.
Terry
At 03:25 AM 12/17/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what size rivet sets to order for the 601upgrade?
> I need to know so I can order some from acs to practice on. I have
> ordered my upgrade kit but as a non AMD and non flying, I think it will
> be awhile before I get my kit.
>
>Also, I am opening my engine box tomorrow and would like some suggestions
>on mounting the engine.
>
>1. The upgrade will take a while so mount engine and support airplane on
>tail, landing gear and raise engine on lift to remove center spar?
>
>2. The upgrade kit will come soon so wait till the upgrade is done before
>putting on engine.
>
>I have tried to called Mexico but can never seem to get through.
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
Balancing the ailerons and working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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If you are ordering rivets for practice, be sure to get the harder AD ones, they
are the types specified in the drawings and are more difficult to put in.
I found that two separate "3X" rivet guns were not truly up to the task on the -6 AD (3/16) rivets. I found one at the yard store http://www.yardstore.com it was part number 11924 (APT Riveter 300) and was used so I don't know how many they have. It worked much better than others I borrowed that were called 3X. This one did not have a pressure regulator attached so you would need an external one.
I also found that having a new rivet set (the driver heads used on the gun) helps
for us low experience types. The well used set I borrowed was harder to keep
centered on the rivet. Of course, when I watched a really experienced person
use them it looked so easy.
I am also modifying a rivet squeezer I found on ebay for use with the upgrade project.
If it works, others are welcome to use it once I am finished.
For those starting to remove rivets, having some kind of drill guide to keep the
drill perpendicular to the spar could greatly reduce damage to the existing
holes. I have a few I will have to put bolts in.
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Mark Hubelbank
N708HU
CH601XL
Jabiru 3300
Rotec TBI 40 carb
Sensenich ground adj prop.
41 hr TAF
Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
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On Thursday 17 December 2009 06:45, Karl Polifka wrote:
> Zenith told me the rivets came with the kit.
>
> Karl
I suspect he may mean the size of the set that fits in the end of the rivet
gun.
> Can anyone tell me what size rivet sets to order for the 601upgrade? I
> need to know so I can order some from acs to practice on. I have ordered my
> upgrade kit but as a non AMD and non flying, I think it will be awhile
> before I get my kit.
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Terry, just make sure the sledge hammer has a polished surface.
Yesterday I had to remove a bunch of rivets from my HD centre wing skeleton.
To avoid damaging the parts, I did not drill until the rivet head comes off.
I stopped a little early (practice determines when it is "a little early"),
and then remove the remaining material with a pair of cutting pliers.
After all rivet heads are removed, the parts come apart quite easily (in
this case, an L angle and the landing gear rib).
With the cutting pliers, I then remove the rest of the rivet - no need for a
centre punch.
I thought maybe this process can be used to remove the XL skin without
damaging the underlying rib flange.
Cheers
Carlos
Ch601-HD, plans
One step forward, two backward. Maybe I should turn around 180 degrees.
2009/12/17 Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>
> Bingellis recommends a 5 lb bucking bar for the 3/16 rivets. I haven't seen
> any that heavy, and I was thinking of using a sledge hammer instead.
>
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Go to the Avery tools website below, you can either buy the individual rivet sets
or a kit, individual sets are $8 each
Set of all 4 sizes
Includes 1 each of the standard length sets;
3/32 1/8 5/32 and 3/16 $26.00
http://www.averytools.com/pc-883-89-standard-length-rivet-sets-for-universal-an470-rivets.aspx
Cheers
Eddie
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