---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/20/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Upgrade kit (Karl Polifka) 2. 06:11 AM - Re: Painting Rivets (John Bolding) 3. 12:55 PM - Re: Painting Rivets () 4. 06:44 PM - Re: Painting Rivets (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:00 AM PST US From: "Karl Polifka" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Upgrade kit Sabrina, Should you want to pursue the (cold!) open cockpit, we have an extra canopy and assembly parts we will sell. A very small percentage of XL have crashed. A very small percentage of XL owners make statements, or take actions, that suggest unwise maintenance/operating practices. I do not think there is anything wrong with the XL as is -- if it is flown in the manner for which it was designed. We, of course, are doing the upgrade because someday we will want to sell what we have. This is not mid-winter fun. Karl -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sabrina" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:30 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Upgrade kit > > I would be great if Zenith or AMD put out extensive videos of their test > flights like RV and published Dynon G meter logs on their upgraded > aircraft... Are they testing to +6/-4? +4/-2? > > I fear more harm than good will come from opening her up. I am told that > the only common maintenance thread in every crash is that the wings were > removed at least once after being fully torqued in place. My aircraft > has had the wings torqued in place just once, and I plan on keeping it > that way for now. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282289#282289 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:57 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets Another bad thing that happens when you blast thin aluminum with any media is heat generation, most of the time when you blast in an area long enough to remove the paint you've generated enough heat to warp the panel. That's why the folks that soda blast aircraft also use water injection to keep the panel cool. You can screw up a wing in a heartbeat. Seen it done. LO&SLO John ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets Uh, what aluminum coating? Isn't 6061-T6 is the same alloy all the way through. This is different than the Alclad sheet use in Vans kits. -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paulrod36@msn.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:34 PM To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets EEEEAAAAGGGHH!!! No, no, nooooooo Oh, the humanity!........If you're gonna blast anything, use either walnut shells or plastic media. Glass beads are silicon, which is just a refined type of sand. Which, as we all know, will eat clean through the aluminum coating. The aviation department of Harbor Freight carries walnut shells. Paul R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme@cole To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets =EF=BB you may be able to spot blast the area. you would need a rivet fitted or the media would go through hole into wing I don't know what blast media you would use probably Glass beads? Just a suggestion Graemecns ----- Original Message ----- From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:27 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets List, Has anyone devised an easy way to sand the paint around the drilled out rivets. Also will it be better to paint just around the rivets and try to blend the paint or sand the whole part and paint again?? If primer is used around the sanded area it will take more coats of paint to cover and hide the color. Any ideas? Bobby href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Release Date: 01/18/10 16:56:00 title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:09 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets OK, generic term. Let me rephrase. Silica media will eat aluminum faster than a teenager on a bag of Fritos. Walnut shells, plastic media, or the equivalent are what's happenin'. Paul R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets =EF=BB Uh, what aluminum coating? Isn't 6061-T6 is the same alloy all the way through. This is different than the Alclad sheet use in Vans kits. -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paulrod36@msn.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:34 PM To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets EEEEAAAAGGGHH!!! No, no, nooooooo Oh, the humanity!........If you're gonna blast anything, use either walnut shells or plastic media. Glass beads are silicon, which is just a refined type of sand. Which, as we all know, will eat clean through the aluminum coating. The aviation department of Harbor Freight carries walnut shells. Paul R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme@cole To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets =EF=BB you may be able to spot blast the area. you would need a rivet fitted or the media would go through hole into wing I don't know what blast media you would use probably Glass beads? Just a suggestion Graemecns ----- Original Message ----- From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:27 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Painting Rivets List, Has anyone devised an easy way to sand the paint around the drilled out rivets. Also will it be better to paint just around the rivets and try to blend the paint or sand the whole part and paint again?? If primer is used around the sanded area it will take more coats of paint to cover and hide the color. Any ideas? Bobby href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Release Date: 01/18/10 16:56:00 title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:55 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Painting Rivets From: "Ron Lendon" [quote="BobbyPaulk(at)comcast.net"]List, Has anyone devised an easy way to sand the paint around the drilled out rivets. Also will it be better to paint just around the rivets and try to blend the paint or sand the whole part and paint again?? If primer is used around the sanded area it will take more coats of paint to cover and hide the color. Any ideas? Bobby > [b] I would recommend taping off the area you want to remove the paint, (think straight line) and dissolve the paint with a thinner soaked rag. Remove the tape and feather sand the edge of the softened paint. Repaint the bare area and blend it in to the old paint. An air brush might allow the best control of where the paint is placed. YMMV -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282614#282614 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.