---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/10/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:18 AM - Re: Aileron balance weights (dalemed) 2. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Craig Payne) 3. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Paul Mulwitz) 4. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Jim Belcher) 5. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Randy L. Thwing) 6. 03:19 PM - Re: Aileron balance weights (PatrickW) 7. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Dave Austin) 8. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Scott E Bevier) 9. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (Craig Payne) 10. 04:35 PM - Re: Aileron balance weights (Louie928) 11. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Aileron balance weights (John Bolding) 12. 06:05 PM - Re: Aileron balance weights (601RX) 13. 09:08 PM - Re: Aileron balance weights (Louie928) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights From: "dalemed" pbaker4(at)windstream.net wrote: > I used lead on the inside of the tube to a depth of about 6 inches, then it only took a couple of plates to completely > balance the control. then I widened the opening in the rear > spar just a little bit. now if needed I can simply slide the > balance tube with weights on, no need for an inspection > plate. The wings are on and everything is hooked up .I will > be flying this week after a final weight and balance is done. > I was thinking of a similar approach but hadn't thought about putting lead inside the square tube. How did you do that? -------- Dale Flying Cessna 170B Building Zenith CH650 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289906#289906 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:56 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Lead has a very low melting point. I recall as a kid melting some old lead plumbing fittings on a Coleman stove. But I would try hard to avoid any fumes. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dalemed Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights pbaker4(at)windstream.net wrote: > I used lead on the inside of the tube to a depth of about 6 inches, then it only took a couple of plates to completely > balance the control. then I widened the opening in the rear spar > just a little bit. now if needed I can simply slide the balance tube > with weights on, no need for an inspection plate. The wings are on > and everything is hooked up .I will be flying this week after a > final weight and balance is done. > I was thinking of a similar approach but hadn't thought about putting lead inside the square tube. How did you do that? -------- Dale Flying Cessna 170B Building Zenith CH650 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289906#289906 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:59 AM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Hi guys, I used to make, and sell, lead bullets in days gone by . . . Lead melts around 700 degrees F. This is easily done on any kitchen stove using a cast iron pan. I don't think it creates any vapor at temperatures you can make with normal equipment so the fumes are not a problem. On the other hand, if you get your lead from the junk yard it is covered with all sorts of stuff that will create an unpleasant aroma when heated to 700 degrees. Don't use an aluminum pot for this - it will melt and damage your stove. Aluminum melts under 1000 degrees F. For comparison, steel melts around 2000 degrees, and iron around 5000. I wouldn't worry about melting the aluminum tube when pouring lead into it since you will do this at close to 700 degrees. If you already have a bolt or pin going thru the middle of the tube the lead will be held in place when it hardens. On my first aileron I only needed 4 of the steel plates to balance the whole thing. This might be equivalent to a very small amount of lead. The problem I see with the lead weights is mostly figuring out how much lead to use before pouring it. Good luck, Paul XL - installing upgrade kit -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Lead has a very low melting point. I recall as a kid melting some old lead plumbing fittings on a Coleman stove. But I would try hard to avoid any fumes. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dalemed Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights pbaker4(at)windstream.net wrote: > I used lead on the inside of the tube to a depth of about 6 inches, then it only took a couple of plates to completely > balance the control. then I widened the opening in the rear spar > just a little bit. now if needed I can simply slide the balance tube > with weights on, no need for an inspection plate. The wings are on > and everything is hooked up .I will be flying this week after a > final weight and balance is done. > I was thinking of a similar approach but hadn't thought about putting lead inside the square tube. How did you do that? -------- Dale Flying Cessna 170B Building Zenith CH650 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289906#289906 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:20 PM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights On Wednesday 10 March 2010 13:36:57 you wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I used to make, and sell, lead bullets in days gone by . . . The thing I do remember about lead is that it not only melts easily, it's easy to spill. Boy, does it burn when it hits the skin! -- ======================================= Jim B. Belcher BS,MS Physics A&P/IA General Radio Telephone Certificate Instrument Rated Pilot Retired Aerospace Technical Manager Semi-proficient Househusband ======================================= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:15 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights do not archive " The problem I see with the lead weights is mostly figuring out how much lead to use before pouring it." Maybe this will help: Steel weighs .283 Lbs per cubic inch Brass weighs .307 lbs. per cubic inch Lead weighs .409 lbs. per cubic inch Need a trick to remember this? Note all weights are Chevy engine displacements! Regards, Randy, Las Vegas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights From: "PatrickW" Where do you buy lead these days...? Patrick N63PZ -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289962#289962 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:21 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights How about buying some lead shot at the gunsmith's and moulding it in epoxy to the required shape. Dave Austin ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:35 PM PST US From: "Scott E Bevier" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Bass Pro, and similar stores have all the lead you'll need. Scott Bevier 601XL -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:19 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Where do you buy lead these days...? Patrick N63PZ -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289962#289962 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:33 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Spruce sells "aviation grade" 1/8th inch lead sheet :-) -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott E Bevier Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights --> Bass Pro, and similar stores have all the lead you'll need. Scott Bevier 601XL -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:19 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Where do you buy lead these days...? Patrick N63PZ -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289962#289962 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights From: "Louie928" Tire shops have used wheel weights that can be melted. It isn't pure lead and has a few % of antimony in it to increase hardness. -------- Louis W. Ott 601XL beginner Quick Build Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289970#289970 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:04 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights Another spot is a plumbing supply outlet LO&SLO John ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatrickW" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights > > Where do you buy lead these days...? > > Patrick > N63PZ > > -------- > Patrick > XL/650/Corvair > N63PZ (reserved) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289962#289962 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights From: "601RX" I thought that lead could cause corrosion on aluminum? -------- Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289979#289979 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Aileron balance weights From: "Louie928" 601RX wrote: > I thought that lead could cause corrosion on aluminum? I don't think lead and aluminum together directly corrode, but contaminants and water could get between the lead and bare aluminum and cause a problem. -------- Louis W. 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