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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Aileron balance weights (Mark Hubelbank)
2. 12:17 PM - Fuel tank filler (AZFlyer)
3. 12:35 PM - Re: Fuel tank filler (DaveG601XL)
4. 01:12 PM - AOPA (roger lambert)
5. 01:22 PM - Re: Fuel tank filler (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 02:42 PM - Re: AOPA (Karl Polifka)
7. 03:05 PM - Re: AOPA (LHusky@aol.com)
8. 03:05 PM - Re: AOPA (Jim Belcher)
9. 03:33 PM - Re: AOPA (jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 04:34 PM - Re: Fuel tank filler (NYTerminat@aol.com)
11. 04:52 PM - Re: AOPA (Bill Pagan)
12. 06:47 PM - Re: where did my edge distance go? (Ron Lendon)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: Fuel tank filler (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron balance weights |
Paul
Do you have any idea how long the led weight was? My calculation
shows that it would need to be about 10 inches long to fit inside the
tubes that Zenith supplied. This puts the CG of the weight closer to the
hinge and thus increases the total amount of weight required slightly.
Not a big deal but if you could find out how about long the led slug was
it would help in doing the same thing again.
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| Subject: | Fuel tank filler |
When removing the fuel tanks, (for upgrade work), I found the sealant I used when
originally building wings made removal of threaded cap very difficult. My
question is two-fold: 1. Do we need to use sealant on these "fine" threads? and
if so, 2. What sealants (by Brand and Model) are you using?
Seems to me we should use a sealant that does not harden over time in case we
need to get to fuel tank in the future.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
Mike
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601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank filler |
Mike,
I had the same problem, to the point that I had to cut one of the filler necks
out. I used Permatex "non-hardening" gasket sealer and it got pretty hard.
Going back in, I still thought I should put something on there so I just put a
few threads worth. I guess I will find out the next time I have to remove the
nose skins.
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601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116 hours and upgrade complete
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I just received the April issue of AOPA Pilot. This issue had letters from
Sebastien Heintz and Jim Belcher pointing out the numerous errors in Bruce
Landesberg's previous article on the 601XL. Rather than responding to those
issues, Mr. Landesberg repeated, out of context and omitting qualifiers,
statements from his previous article. It is apparent that there will be no
favorable statement from AOPA no matter what Zenith Aircraft Company does,
and it may be best to have no further reply to Mr. Landesberg as he has
oviously not looked at any of the information made available to anyone who
takes the time to find and read the materials. Perhaps the lack of
advertising revenue from Zenith plays into the AOPA attitude. A look at the
advertisers listed in the magazine shows numerous other LSA advertisers.
Perhaps we should vote with our feet, as it were, by cancelling our
memberships in AOPA and staying with EAA, where we at least get some
semblance of a balanced reporting.
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| Subject: | Fuel tank filler |
Hi Mike,
First a disclaimer - my plane hasn't flown yet. I'm still installing the
upgrade.
Now for the fuel filler. I don't think any sealant is necessary for the
fuel filler. So long as it is tight enough that the airflow over the cap
doesn't suck out fuel it should be fine. Remember gravity will keep the
fuel from flowing out of the top of the tank.
On my plane there is a tight fit between the skin and the top of the filler
tube. This makes a nice flush surface for the air to flow across the top of
the wing.
Paul
XL - installing upgrade.
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AZFlyer
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Fuel tank filler
When removing the fuel tanks, (for upgrade work), I found the sealant I used
when originally building wings made removal of threaded cap very difficult.
My question is two-fold: 1. Do we need to use sealant on these "fine"
threads? and if so, 2. What sealants (by Brand and Model) are you using?
Seems to me we should use a sealant that does not harden over time in case
we need to get to fuel tank in the future.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
Mike
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601 XL, 3300, Dynon
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Agree. Will do so now.
Karl
From: roger lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: AOPA
I just received the April issue of AOPA Pilot. This issue had letters
from Sebastien Heintz and Jim Belcher pointing out the numerous errors
in Bruce Landesberg's previous article on the 601XL. Rather than
responding to those issues, Mr. Landesberg repeated, out of context and
omitting qualifiers, statements from his previous article. It is
apparent that there will be no favorable statement from AOPA no matter
what Zenith Aircraft Company does, and it may be best to have no further
reply to Mr. Landesberg as he has oviously not looked at any of the
information made available to anyone who takes the time to find and read
the materials. Perhaps the lack of advertising revenue from Zenith plays
into the AOPA attitude. A look at the advertisers listed in the magazine
shows numerous other LSA advertisers. Perhaps we should vote with our
feet, as it were, by cancelling our memberships in AOPA and staying with
EAA, where we at least get some semblance of a balanced reporting.
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I have also done so.
Larry
In a message dated 3/25/2010 2:42:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jfowler120@verizon.net writes:
Agree. Will do so now.
Karl
From: _roger lambert_ (mailto:n601ap@gmail.com)
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: AOPA
I just received the April issue of AOPA Pilot. This issue had letters from
Sebastien Heintz and Jim Belcher pointing out the numerous errors in Bruce
Landesberg's previous article on the 601XL. Rather than responding to
those issues, Mr. Landesberg repeated, out of context and omitting qualifiers,
statements from his previous article. It is apparent that there will be no
favorable statement from AOPA no matter what Zenith Aircraft Company does,
and it may be best to have no further reply to Mr. Landesberg as he has
oviously not looked at any of the information made available to anyone who
takes the time to find and read the materials. Perhaps the lack of advertising
revenue from Zenith plays into the AOPA attitude. A look at the advertisers
listed in the magazine shows numerous other LSA advertisers. Perhaps we
should vote with our feet, as it were, by cancelling our memberships in AOPA
and staying with EAA, where we at least get some semblance of a balanced
reporting.
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On Thursday 25 March 2010 12:06:26 you wrote:
> I just received the April issue of AOPA Pilot. This issue had letters from
> Sebastien Heintz and Jim Belcher pointing out the numerous errors in Bruce
> Landesberg's previous article on the 601XL. Rather than responding to those
> issues, Mr. Landesberg repeated, out of context and omitting qualifiers,
> statements from his previous article. It is apparent that there will be no
> favorable statement from AOPA no matter what Zenith Aircraft Company does,
> and it may be best to have no further reply to Mr. Landesberg as he has
> oviously not looked at any of the information made available to anyone who
> takes the time to find and read the materials. Perhaps the lack of
> advertising revenue from Zenith plays into the AOPA attitude. A look at the
> advertisers listed in the magazine shows numerous other LSA advertisers.
> Perhaps we should vote with our feet, as it were, by cancelling our
> memberships in AOPA and staying with EAA, where we at least get some
> semblance of a balanced reporting.
I'm not too surprised. At best, I expected to be ignored, but at least the flag
has been waved. I have no plans to respond, no matter what he said; it's
obviously a waste of time.
The editors of a magazine can pretty well tilt things in whatever direction
they wish. In this case, facts appear to have little impact, nor does any
attempt at discussion.
I've been toying with canceling my membership for some time. AOPA hasn't
really done a good job of representing the little guys in a number of years.
They caved in on the closing of the flight service stations, and now, they are
actually advocating the mandating of ADS-B, which is going to cost us through
the nose, and give little in return.
The old AOPA leaders fought things like the TCAs and ARSAs fiercely. These guys
just roll over and play dead. Maybe we need a new pilot's organization that
actually represents the needs of the rank and file.
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BS,MS Physics
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
Semi-proficient Househusband
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Roger, I agree !!
In his response, Landisberg says: "....we need to move on beyond denial
of the issue and attacking the credibility of numerous witnesses." In th
e first place, just who is in denial? Zenith has studied the issue and de
signed upgrades to address the issues. The upgrade kits have been issued
and they go far beyond what the FAA requested. Is that denial ? In the
letters Landisberg is responding to, I see no one "attacking numerous wit
nesses", none. Landisberg goes on: "....verify it (the wing structure) is
not subject to flutter." He apparently has not heard of nor read the rep
ort from Germany that tested the unmodified wing and found no evidence tha
t it is subject to flutter, except with really slack control cables. Irreg
ardless, the upgrade includes aileron counterbalance, which may or may not
even be necessary.
It appears that Landisberg comes from the "don't confuse me with facts, my
mind is made up (and I am right)" school of journalism; and his mind is
made up that Zenith is irresponsible, regardless of their response to an
undeniable issue. Therefore, I agree that there is no sense in responding
to Landisberg. It would be like talking to a stump on fire. However, I
think that letting Craig Fuller know why he might be losing members could
the more appropriate way to go. I have been an AOPA member since 1982 and
I am certainly considering dropping out over this issue.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:06 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: AOPA
I just received the April issue of AOPA Pilot. This issue had letters from
Sebastien Heintz and Jim Belcher pointing out the numerous errors in Bruc
e Landesberg's previous article on the 601XL. Rather than responding to th
ose issues, Mr. Landesberg repeated, out of context and omitting qualifier
s, statements from his previous article. It is apparent that there will be
no favorable statement from AOPA no matter what Zenith Aircraft Company
does, and it may be best to have no further reply to Mr. Landesberg as he
has oviously not looked at any of the information made available to anyon
e who takes the time to find and read the materials. Perhaps the lack of
advertising revenue from Zenith plays into the AOPA attitude. A look at
the advertisers listed in the magazine shows numerous other LSA advertise
rs. Perhaps we should vote with our feet, as it were, by cancelling our me
mberships in AOPA and staying with EAA, where we at least get some semblan
ce of a balanced reporting.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank filler |
Mike,
Use "Fuel lube " or "EZ" Turn from Aircraft Spruce
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701
In a message dated 3/25/2010 3:17:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
millrML@AOL.com writes:
When removing the fuel tanks, (for upgrade work), I found the sealant I
used when originally building wings made removal of threaded cap very
difficult. My question is two-fold: 1. Do we need to use sealant on these "fine"
threads? and if so, 2. What sealants (by Brand and Model) are you using?
Seems to me we should use a sealant that does not harden over time in
case we need to get to fuel tank in the future.
Thanks in advance for feedback.
Mike
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I've been considering dropping from AOPA since November when I attended the
ir AOPA Summit-in Tampa.- I felt like I was treated-as if I had the p
lague whenever the subject of experimental aircraft came up.- They've alw
ays come across to me as a "holier then thou"-bunch.=0A-Bill Pagan- 1
3 year AOPA member=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF
rom: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith601-list@matronics.com=0A
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 1:06:26 PM=0ASubject: Zenith601-List: AOPA=0A=0AI
just received the April issue of AOPA Pilot. This issue had letters from S
ebastien Heintz and Jim Belcher pointing out the numerous errors in Bruce L
andesberg's previous article on the 601XL. Rather than responding to those
issues, Mr. Landesberg repeated, out of context and omitting qualifiers, st
atements from his previous article. It is apparent that there will be no fa
vorable statement from AOPA no matter what Zenith Aircraft Company does, an
d it may be best to have no further reply to Mr. Landesberg as he has oviou
sly not looked at any of the information made available to anyone who takes
the time to find and read the materials. Perhaps the lack of advertising r
evenue from Zenith plays into the AOPA attitude. A look at the advertisers
listed in the magazine shows numerous other LSA advertisers. Perhaps we sho
uld vote with our feet, as it were, by cancelling our memberships in AOPA a
nd staying with EAA, where we at least get some semblance of a
===0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: where did my edge distance go? |
Make the L-angle longer and form it into the radius to get your edge distance.
That hole appears to be right in the tangent of the radius on the HT, so just
extend that flange (where its short) on the L-angle and shape it.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank filler |
NYTerminat(at)aol.com wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Use "Fuel lube " or "EZ" Turn from Aircraft Spruce
>
> Bob Spudis
> N701ZX CH701
>
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2010 3:17:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, millrML@AOL.com
writes:
>
Yeah what he said!
It took 3 people 1.5 hours to loosen the fuel tank filler from the CZAW XL we are
doing the upgrade on. I had to request the big tap from Zenith to clean up
the threads then used FueLube on it and the fuel strainer fittings. It never
hardens and is designed for this purpose. I am quite confident it will stay
sealed and be easy to remove later.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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