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1. 01:29 AM - Re: AOPA (chris Sinfield)
2. 07:25 AM - Chat Reminder for "Digesters" (George Race)
3. 07:55 AM - 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers (skyriderekm)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers (DaveG601XL)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: AOPA (Jim Belcher)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: AOPA (Paul Mulwitz)
7. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: AOPA (Bryan Martin)
8. 12:40 PM - Re: AOPA (vayuwings)
9. 12:46 PM - Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers (Tim Juhl)
11. 01:38 PM - Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers (Floyd Wilkes)
12. 01:40 PM - Question for those who've upgraded (Tim Juhl)
13. 01:52 PM - Re: Question for those who've upgraded (Craig Payne)
14. 02:17 PM - Re: Question for those who've upgraded (DaveG601XL)
15. 04:33 PM - Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers (Ron Lendon)
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Ah David
but when AOPA went in to bat for you, did you tell them you flew an Experimental
plane????
If it was to fly a Cessna / Piper / business jet they will bend over backwards..
Chris
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| Subject: | 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers |
I'm about to start my upgrade kit but one thing I'm interested in asking, has anyone
finished the upgrade kit with wing lockers in their wings? I can see where
the new extrusion is a bit wider than the original angle used. Won't there
be a noticeable gap between the locker hinges and the nose skin?
Just wondering and thanks for any responses.
Larry Hursh
Edwardsburg, MI
CH650 (N650LM Reserved)
2700cc Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers |
Larry,
I have completed the upgrade on my 601XL that had been flying with wing lockers.
I have the hinge facing up, as my plans said, and there was absolutely no difference
in fit, pre or post upgrade. People who reversed their hinge around
to make the flat side up have to do something else to account for the wider extrusion.
Maybe they can chime in here.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116 hours and upgrade complete
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The value of AOPA to each individual certainly needs to be weighed before
taking action. Value of an organization is an individual thing; each of us
needs to decide whether to retain membership or not, based on our individual
experiences.
To me, the current set of AOPA problems are the first in a long string, some of
which include, not necessarily in any order:
1) The legal support plan, for which I paid an additional premium. When I
needed it, it turned out to pay $200, which was enough to cover not that many
hours of an attorney's time. There wasn't enough money here to actually do
much of anything.
The plan I counted on to meet aviation legal needs was nearly worthless.
2) "Airports USA," which was a good benefit with membership. It went from being
sent to each member, through a variety of lesser availabilities. I think the
last I heard, you either had to download it and print it yourself, or carry a
copy on a computer. That might meet someone's need, but certainly not mine.
3) I'm still waiting to see how the insurance turns out. I dropped off the plan
when I sold my certificated aircraft to build a Zenith. Does this mean the
multiplier will start all over again? In hindsight, I bet it does. I probably
should never have dropped off, but it's likely one more significantly reduced
benefit.
4) AOPA hires "presidents" and "vice-presidents" without ever polling the rank
and file for their feelings on the subject. This isn't a democratic
organization. No one ever asked if we thought the author of the offending
article should be given a position (vice-president of something, I think) at
AOPA, they just appointed him.
5) AOPA uses my membership, and yours, to claim the positions they take
represent our feelings. They've never asked me what I think about anything.
Have they asked anyone else on the mailing list?
AOPA is supporting things like ADS-B, and the so-called "satellite radar," and
claiming it's something GA pilots want. I don't doubt some of us want this,
but not all of us do, and we've never been asked.
6) IMHO. the monthly magazine did a much better job of reporting little guy
aviation than it now does. It's become a slick publication, largely reporting
high end items. Not entirely, mind you, but primarily. Kitplanes and GA news
are far more valuable to me.
I feel the organization has strayed wildly from its roots. I've been a member
for a number of years. It appears to be a very different organization from the
one I joined.
At this point, the only thing AOPA is really doing for me is providing a place
I can ask questions about flight rules and interpretations. That's useful, but
I don't have questions that only they can answer all that often. I think the
last time was about 3 years ago.
Does AOPA ever have any value? Certainly. Is it of value to me? It doesn't
appear to be at this point.
There are likely a lot of you that can add to the list of experiences and
concerns. In my mind, it's doubtful AOPA will fix anything until someone moves
their cheese. I think it's time to haul cheese.
My opinions, worth almost as much as what you paid for them. :-)
On Saturday 27 March 2010 21:32:31 you wrote:
>
> I'd just like to suggest trying a cooling period for anyone considering
> canceling membership to AOPA. There's no doubt to anyone examining our
> situation with the XL that we may not get the truth, the whole truth, and
> nothing but the truth from other groups with vested interests beyond the
> homebuilt community and its lack of advertising dollars.
>
> When it comes to legal issues - and I used AOPA some years back with my
> color deficiency with flying and they came to bat for me not only with
> letters and phone calls, someone even visited the FSDO I was having a
> problem with and they flattened the resistance immediately - and other
> important advocacy as pilots we need them, just like we need EAA. There
> are plenty of groups that have biases and bad members out there, I'm just
> saying considering the bigger picture maybe we can influence their
> viewpoint on homebuilts from our success and perseverance when we show
> them year after year how strong, safe and wonderful our XL-U aircraft are.
> I'm just saying...
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Jim B. Belcher
BS,MS Physics
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
Semi-proficient Househusband
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Hi Jim,
This sounds a lot like the NRA. That is another organization that was nice
to join decades ago but has since migrated to another world. I'm not
surprised AOPA has moved to high-end aviation. That is the way the world
went in the 1980s when the greedy lawyers destroyed general aviation for
normal people through product liability suits. Only those who could afford
biz-jets could get past the liability costs.
I agree with your choice of publications. I would add Avweb - an online
newsletter that is published twice(?) a week and has all the same news as GA
News. I would still keep GA news and Kitplanes.
I think it is unfair that the great powers keep changing the world without
asking me first . . .
Paul
XL installing upgrade
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Kitplanes and GA news are far more valuable to me.
I feel the organization has strayed wildly from its roots.
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The AOPA has been fighting hard against user fees in the FAA budget process. I
was contacted by the AOPA once for my opinion on the proposed user fees for FAA
services. They also fight airport closings when a government body tries to renege
on it's obligation to keep an airport open after receiving federal airport
improvement funds. As far as ADS-B is concerned, I recall that some of the
alternatives that were proposed by the FAA would have been much worse, sometimes
the FAA seems to forget that the airlines aren't the only users of the airspace
system.
I may not agree with everything the AOPA does but, they do enough good to keep
my support.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Yes, they knew my aircraft was a homebuilt, but the problem was more medical/airport
related with the light signal test and the stubbornness of the FAA, so maybe
they overlooked the aircraft type. It was their legal and political arm in
action, and it was swift and effective.
Each should react as they see fit, but a lack of personal fulfillment and disappointment
to one's viewpoint of how AOPA should be run differently is like the
baby going out with the bathwater, and I find that simply impatient and shortsighted,
and I feel we should at least give the emotional reactions time to ebb,
but I'm only speaking for myself. Fully respect whatever choice others need
to make.
Cheers
Dave
601XL-U
workin' on the upgrade
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| Subject: | Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers |
I set my hinge on top of the new angle which caused a slight bump in the
skin at each end of the hinge but other than that works fine but mine was
installed hinge pin up to start with. David Coberly
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| Subject: | Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers |
I just received my upgrade kit and am also wondering about the wing lockers. I
originally installed them with the hinge up, but used shims under the spar angle
and between the lid and the hinge so it wouldn't protrude upwards so much.
Am I correct that the mod calls for sliding the hinge between the wing skin and
the new angle? Anybody find another way that doesn't involve trimming the existing
doors?
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers |
Larry,
I installed the hinge up and removed the shims that were originally used.
Fits fine.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL Hopefully first flight after upgrade will be tomorrow!!
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyriderekm
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:55 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers
I'm about to start my upgrade kit but one thing I'm interested in asking,
has anyone finished the upgrade kit with wing lockers in their wings? I
can see where the new extrusion is a bit wider than the original angle used.
Won't there be a noticeable gap between the locker hinges and the nose skin?
Just wondering and thanks for any responses.
Larry Hursh
Edwardsburg, MI
CH650 (N650LM Reserved)
2700cc Corvair Powered
I hope to SOMEDAY be that man my dog thinks I am right now.....
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| Subject: | Question for those who've upgraded |
I just got my modification kit and have the right wing on the table ready to be
opened up. I had not completed the fuselage so that should be an easier fix.
My question is this, after your experience with the modifications, are there any
things you would do differently than the approach described in the instructions
that Zenith sent?
Thanks,
Tim Juhl
Building again....
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Question for those who've upgraded |
Tim Mix wrote a long post on the Zenith builders site (you may have to join
to view it):
http://www.zenith.aero/profiles/blogs/installing-the-upgradesome
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Question for those who've upgraded
I just got my modification kit and have the right wing on the table ready to
be opened up. I had not completed the fuselage so that should be an easier
fix.
My question is this, after your experience with the modifications, are there
any things you would do differently than the approach described in the
instructions that Zenith sent?
Thanks,
Tim Juhl
Building again....
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Question for those who've upgraded |
Tim,
The overall approach in the ZAC documentation and video's is OK. I recommend that
you definitely remove the nose skin completely. It will save you more time
and aggravation than if you left it on. The wing will be very flimsy now so
make sure to keep it flat, preferably on the metal bars you originally built
it with.
Just be patient with all the Avex rivets you will be drilling. Beware the center
stem, which can push the drill off center.
Good luck!
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Upgraded 3/19/10
118 hours and climbing!
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| Subject: | Re: 601-650 Upgrade Kit W/Wing Lockers |
I just flipped the hinge over, pin up and it works just fine. Would have needed
a 3"wide hinge to leave the pin down. No trimming of the door was necessary
and just re-used the same hinge with new rivet holes transferred from the nose
skin.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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