---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/04/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:59 AM - Chat Reminder for "Digesters" (George Race) 2. 10:09 AM - Effective Gross Weight (Damien) 3. 10:32 AM - Re: two questions (Scotsman) 4. 11:22 AM - Re: two questions (Bryan Martin) 5. 07:09 PM - Re: Effective Gross Weight (Peter Chapman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:41 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith601-List: Chat Reminder for "Digesters" Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders My Products: www.mykitairplane.com/Products/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:43 AM PST US From: "Damien" Subject: Zenith601-List: Effective Gross Weight When I bought my Zodiac 601 HDS from the builder, he mentioned to me the concept of "effective gross weight". I think he mentioned that it was 1050 pounds. We had a lot of other things to talk about so I did not get back to the topic to ask more about it. I notice that on the Zenith website, that even though the gross weignt for the HDS is listed at 1200 pounds, the figures for stall speed and climb are listed using 1050 pounds. Does anyone know more about this subject? Regards, Damien ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: two questions From: "Scotsman" Hi Lee, I bought the kit as a whole so I can't tell you in which subkit the cylinders are found. What I can tell you is that a set is definitely included somewhere in the kit. A call to Zenith as you said should sort this out. Unfortunately I do not have a set of plans to hand but I remember the majority of the firewall being A5. If in doubt I would use the stronger larger rivet. If you send a pic through I can walk downstairs and check as I do not know what part 6-B-7 was. Cheers James -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292957#292957 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:14 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: two questions I'm pretty sure my brake master cylinders came with the landing gear kit. On Apr 3, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Lee Steensland wrote: > > I have all almost all the subkits for my XL. I have the gear kit and the canopy on order (should be here soon). > > I'm working on the cabin floor and I just to the the point where I'm going to fit the brake master cylinders for the pilot side, and noticed I don't have any, anywhere. Looking over the pick list for all the kit sections I have, none of them make note of the MC-5 brake parts. I have the rudder pedals and the bearings as well as the pilot side brake pedals. > > I'm looking for others' experiences. What part of the kit did your brakes come with? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:55 PM PST US From: Peter Chapman Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Effective Gross Weight At 13:08 04-04-10, you wrote: >When I bought my Zodiac 601 HDS from the builder, he mentioned to me >the concept of >"effective gross weight". I think he mentioned that it was 1050 >pounds. We had a lot of [...] >Damien I can't recall for sure, but I think it went something like this: Back in the day the orignal 601 was only designed for 1058 lbs, sometimes rounded off to 1050 lbs. I think the Canadian Advanced Ultralight class was then also only 1058 max (480kg) before later going up. As Zenair upped the strength of the HD to match the new 1200 limit, and later built the HDS for 1200 lbs as well, they just kept on using 1050 as an old standard for quoting performance. E.g., even in the well-known Popular Mechanics article of 1997, for the HDS they stated 1200 gross, but showed performance for "800 lbs (Solo)" and "1050 lbs (Dual)". So for the HDS I don't think there's any reason to think of 1050 as any sort of physical limit. Peter Chapman Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.