---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/07/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:12 AM - 601XL mod list? (Walter Carey) 2. 10:53 AM - Re: 601XL mod list? (Jim Belcher) 3. 11:26 AM - Re: 601XL mod list? (Terry Phillips) 4. 06:18 PM - Re: 601XL mod list? (Walter Carey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:49 AM PST US From: Walter Carey Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL mod list? Is there a list available, on this site or another, that has the some or all of the following info? 1. All 601XL's completed in the United States, by N number, owners name, and city/state of residence, 2. All 601XL's in the U.S. that have had the Zenith upgrade kit installed and are back in the air, 3. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. by owners name and city/state of residence, 4. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. that have installed, or intent to install, the Zenith upgrade kit, 5. Engine installed or being considered, 6. Zenith airframe only options installed, 7. Owner designed airframe options installed. Walt Carey Beavercreek, OH 601XL under construction Upgrade kit ordered Jabiru 3300A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:47 AM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601XL mod list? On Friday 07 May 2010 11:12:08 you wrote: > > Is there a list available, on this site or another, that has the some or > all of the following info? Maybe, but not likely. Data on factory built aircraft should be available from AMD. For kit or scratch built aircraft, Zenith would probably have more of the information than anyone else. Reasons are cited below. > 1. All 601XL's completed in the United States, by N number, owners name, > and city/state of residence, Nothing requires experimental XLs to be registered as XLs. The builder can call them whatever he/she choses. They do not conform to a type certificate, and thus may have whatever designation the builder choses. > 2. All 601XL's in the U.S. that have had the Zenith upgrade kit installed > and are back in the air, There is no legal requirement for anyone to collect this data. Zenith almost certainly knows to whom they've sold modification kits, but nothing prevents anyone from doing the mod from raw stock. There is no requirement to indicate when the mod is completed, and the aircraft is again flying, for existing aircraft. This data would appear in the aircraft logbook, but that information is not published publicly. > 3. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. by owners name and city/state > of residence, Zenith would come closer to having this information than anyone. But I doubt their list is complete. > 4. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. that have installed, or > intent to install, the Zenith upgrade kit, Zenith would know who has bought the modification kit. They would not necessarily know, nor would anyone other than the person doing it know, if the mod is done from raw stock. There is no requirement for anyone to state their intent to install or not to install the modification; hence there is no reliable source for this information. > 5. Engine installed or being considered, Only for Xls licensed as XLs and already completed. There is no registry of what someone may intend to do. I intend to install a Continental O200. I have an engine sitting here, ready to overhaul. What if I suddenly found a dirt cheap Rotax, cheaper than the cost of the overhaul of the Continental? I might very well change my mind. > 6. Zenith airframe only options installed, Again, Zenith knows what options they've sold. They do not necessarily know what standard options someone may have fabricated themselves. > 7. Owner designed airframe options installed. I am not aware of any records of this type being kept. For one thing, what counts as an option? As of this moment, I'm installing nutplates so I can remove the cover on the center console, instead of riveting in in place, for ease of later maintenance. Is this an option? Beats me. One of the advantages we enjoy in this still relatively free country is that we can build our own aircraft, install options, and make changes that reflect our own individual wants and needs. But that means that few of these aircraft are exactly alike, and also, that no one is keeping careful records of all the configurations. A lot of money could be spent keeping this kind of information, which is probably why it doesn't exist. -- ======================================= Jim B. Belcher BS,MS Physics A&P/IA General Radio Telephone Certificate Instrument Rated Pilot Retired Aerospace Technical Manager Semi-proficient Househusband ======================================= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:04 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601XL mod list? Hi Walt I do not know of any such list as your No. 1. Anyone could compile at least a partial list of completed 601XL's by searching the FAA registration database for 601XL. I think the list would be partial because one need not register an E-AB airplane by the model name. E.g., you could register your airplane as a "Walt's Cruiser" or whatever. That said, it is likely that most kit built E-AB's are registered by the model name. A clever person could likely write some sort of database query software that would automatically extract the specific information you want from the database, but that is way beyond my skill level. The only people who could ID 601XL builders would be Zenair. They should know to whom they sold kits and plans, plus they should have a record of transferred serial numbers. I doubt they'd part with that information. The "old" Zenair builder database was somewhat searchable for builders. I do not know whether it is still on line. I know that my personal access to that database was terminated in late '08 or early '09, but others still had access at that time. However, that database was voluntary, and probably far from complete. I'm sure that the other information you want has never been collected. Meanwhile, I'm very happy to see from your signature that you decided not to sell your project and that you are on the upgrade path. I am very optimistic that the upgrade will be successful. Enjoy the build. Terry At 09:12 AM 5/7/2010 -0700, you wrote: >Is there a list available, on this site or another, that has the some or >all of the following info? > >1. All 601XL's completed in the United States, by N number, owners name, >and city/state of residence, > >2. All 601XL's in the U.S. that have had the Zenith upgrade kit installed >and are back in the air, > >3. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. by owners name and >city/state of residence, > >4. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. that have installed, or >intent to install, the Zenith upgrade kit, > >5. Engine installed or being considered, > >6. Zenith airframe only options installed, > >7. Owner designed airframe options installed. > >Walt Carey >Beavercreek, OH >601XL under construction >Upgrade kit ordered >Jabiru 3300A Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done; Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety Directive http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:47 PM PST US From: Walter Carey Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601XL mod list? Thanks for the reply Jim. Was wondering if there was any possibility of charting and posting the info I asked about so we 601XL builders/flyers could keep keep up with how the Zenith mods for the 601XL are working out. Walt. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Belcher Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 1:53:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601XL mod list? On Friday 07 May 2010 11:12:08 you wrote: > > Is there a list available, on this site or another, that has the some or > all of the following info? Maybe, but not likely. Data on factory built aircraft should be available from AMD. For kit or scratch built aircraft, Zenith would probably have more of the information than anyone else. Reasons are cited below. > 1. All 601XL's completed in the United States, by N number, owners name, > and city/state of residence, Nothing requires experimental XLs to be registered as XLs. The builder can call them whatever he/she choses. They do not conform to a type certificate, and thus may have whatever designation the builder choses. > 2. All 601XL's in the U.S. that have had the Zenith upgrade kit installed > and are back in the air, There is no legal requirement for anyone to collect this data. Zenith almost certainly knows to whom they've sold modification kits, but nothing prevents anyone from doing the mod from raw stock. There is no requirement to indicate when the mod is completed, and the aircraft is again flying, for existing aircraft. This data would appear in the aircraft logbook, but that information is not published publicly. > 3. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. by owners name and city/state > of residence, Zenith would come closer to having this information than anyone. But I doubt their list is complete. > 4. All 601XL's under construction in the U.S. that have installed, or > intent to install, the Zenith upgrade kit, Zenith would know who has bought the modification kit. They would not necessarily know, nor would anyone other than the person doing it know, if the mod is done from raw stock. There is no requirement for anyone to state their intent to install or not to install the modification; hence there is no reliable source for this information. > 5. Engine installed or being considered, Only for Xls licensed as XLs and already completed. There is no registry of what someone may intend to do. I intend to install a Continental O200. I have an engine sitting here, ready to overhaul. What if I suddenly found a dirt cheap Rotax, cheaper than the cost of the overhaul of the Continental? I might very well change my mind. > 6. Zenith airframe only options installed, Again, Zenith knows what options they've sold. They do not necessarily know what standard options someone may have fabricated themselves. > 7. Owner designed airframe options installed. I am not aware of any records of this type being kept. For one thing, what counts as an option? As of this moment, I'm installing nutplates so I can remove the cover on the center console, instead of riveting in in place, for ease of later maintenance. Is this an option? Beats me. One of the advantages we enjoy in this still relatively free country is that we can build our own aircraft, install options, and make changes that reflect our own individual wants and needs. But that means that few of these aircraft are exactly alike, and also, that no one is keeping careful records of all the configurations. A lot of money could be spent keeping this kind of information, which is probably why it doesn't exist. -- ======================================= Jim B. Belcher BS,MS Physics A&P/IA General Radio Telephone Certificate Instrument Rated Pilot Retired Aerospace Technical Manager Semi-proficient Househusband ======================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.