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2. 12:17 PM - Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through (DaveG601XL)
3. 01:00 PM - Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
4. 03:50 PM - Fuel line size (dalemed)
5. 06:03 PM - Re: Fuel line size (Tim Juhl)
6. 10:04 PM - Re: Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through (Terry Phillips)
7. 10:24 PM - Re: Fuel line size (Terry Phillips)
8. 10:38 PM - Re: Fuel line size (Bryan Martin)
9. 11:11 PM - Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through (Scotsman)
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through |
Bruce - thanks for making the call to ZAC in the rivet holes thru that forward
bottom doubler on the center spar. I unfortunately already backdrilled these so
will need to add additional rivet holes to miss the holes in the fuse floor.
On a related topic .. did anyone notice that the center spar doublers were shipped
at length 945 when the ZAC upgrade plans call for a length of 940 on all
the doublers. I just finished drilling and deburring all the doublers and wondering
if I will need to trim these to avoid interference with the front and aft
uprights? Someone who has already clecoed their center spar parts together
and tested for clearance may already know the answer. Thanks!
Dave Gardea
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Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
working on wiring panel and upgrade kit
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through |
Dave,
There will be trimming required of the doublers to provide clearance to the wing
uprights 6ZU2-6.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Upgraded 3/19/10
130+ hours and climbing!
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through |
Dave,
Thanks for the heads up on this. Like James, I will be trial fitting the center
spar in the fuse and checking the fit before any riveting.
Thanks,
Dave Gardea
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Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
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I've decided to replace the rubber hose fuel line from the tank with 3/8" aluminum
line. I've got 2 questions - should I use 6061-T6 Aluminum line and what
wall thickness should I use? Aircraft Spruce sells 4 different wall thicknesses
for 3/8" OD line - .035, .058, .065 and .083.
It seems to me any of these should give me adequate fuel flow for a Jabiru 3300.
The other issue might be strength, but I should be able to support it well
enough.
Thanks for any advice.
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Dale
Flying Cessna 170B
Building Zenith CH650
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
I'm not flying yet but I chose to go with 3/8 " 3003-0 versatube which has a wall
thickness of 0.035 and a working pressure of 520 psi. The versatube is fairly
easy to make bends and curves in without kinking. I plan to use aeroquip
hoses at points subject to flex or excessive vibration.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Tearing wings apart for modification
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through |
Hi James
I am far from taking my center spar apart, but I have been thinking about
that alignment problem for a while.
It seems to me that the best thing would be to actually bolt both wing
spars to the two sides of the center spar before riveting the two sides
together. That may be overkill, however. At a minimum, I think I'd want to
put all 12 bolts in place on the center spar, with appropriate spacers
between the top and bottom middle bolts, before I drilled the new doubler
that will tie the tops of the center spar together. They must line up, and
the holes must be tight. Since the holes are already drilled, they holes
must be aligned before the two sides of the spar are drilled and riveted
together.
However, I haven't even looked at the instructions for upgrading the center
spar, and it may be covered there. Let us know how you resolve this.
Terry
At 09:47 PM 6/1/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks wa7dvd. That seems to be a solution as I think that the upgrade
>manual suggests drilling through the existing holes in the forward flange
>of the spar which will clip the old cabin floor holes. I note that in one
>of the upgrade videos you can see that their clecos are squint because of
>this. Is there sufficient edge distance between the old and new holes in
>your method?
>
>Anyone else got a solution for the bolt hole alignment on the upgraded spar?
>
>James
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety Directive
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
Hi Dale
I made the same decision.
I recommend that you check out Tony Bingellis' article, "About Aircraft
Plumbing," in his book Firewall Forward. You might be able to find the
article for free on the EAA website. A lot of his articles are published
there for members. Bngellis recommended 5052-1. 6061 is stiffer. The
article has a lot of info about fittings, design, etc. It is a good primer.
Terry
At 03:49 PM 6/2/2010 -0700, Dale wrote:
>I've decided to replace the rubber hose fuel line from the tank with 3/8"
>aluminum line. I've got 2 questions - should I use 6061-T6 Aluminum line
>and what wall thickness should I use? Aircraft Spruce sells 4 different
>wall thicknesses for 3/8" OD line - .035, .058, .065 and .083.
>
>It seems to me any of these should give me adequate fuel flow for a Jabiru
>3300. The other issue might be strength, but I should be able to support
>it well enough.
>
>Thanks for any advice.
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done;
Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety Directive
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
I used 3003-0 versatube for my fuel lines. It's very easy to work with and bend
to shape. It's also a lot cheaper to ship as it is formed into a coil and shipped
in a relatively small package. 6061 tubing is more for structural purposes,
it's much stiffer and harder to shape.
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:49 PM, dalemed wrote:
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> I've decided to replace the rubber hose fuel line from the tank with 3/8" aluminum
line. I've got 2 questions - should I use 6061-T6 Aluminum line and what
wall thickness should I use? Aircraft Spruce sells 4 different wall thicknesses
for 3/8" OD line - .035, .058, .065 and .083.
>
> It seems to me any of these should give me adequate fuel flow for a Jabiru 3300.
The other issue might be strength, but I should be able to support it well
enough.
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade Question - Main Spar Carry Through |
Hi Terry, Good to hear from you again.
The problem is that even without the actual wing spars in place I can see that
the alignment is very slightly off on the outside bolt holes only. If I turn
a wing spar bolt it twists into place (probably exerting some pressure on the
thread but if i use a 5/16 transfer punch (ie. an object with straight sides it
will not fit easily as it clips (very slightly) the edge of the web on the far
side's bolt hole). Oddly, the other in board bolt holes seem to be, in general,
well aligned.
I note that the bolt holes were drilled by Zenith (ie. this was a kit not plans
built) and the only modification I have made is in accordance with the upgrades
to the carry through spar.
I am very reluctant to ream the holes any further as on each web individually I
have a nice fit (very) fit...especially after all the incidents and conversations
on the forum.
Any help would be appreciated. Has anyone had this problem?
James
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