---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/03/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:59 PM - How much paint? (Jim Belcher) 2. 01:26 PM - Re: How much paint? (Ken) 3. 02:44 PM - Solid rivet confusion (Tim Juhl) 4. 04:03 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 04:36 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Terry Phillips) 6. 06:07 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (fritz) 7. 06:25 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Ron Lendon) 8. 07:38 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Paul Mulwitz) 9. 08:06 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Karl Polifka) 10. 09:20 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Terry Turnquist) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:41 PM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Zenith601-List: How much paint? The list has been fairly quiet lately, so I thought I'd ask one of those questions that must be burning in everyone's mind: How much paint (in gallons) does it take to do a 601XL? I realize I also need primer, thinner, etchant, etc, but if I knew how much paint some of you needed, I might be able to factor those other numbers. Of course, if someone happens to have those at hand, I wouldn't mind real numbers there, either. -- ======================================= Jim B. Belcher BS,MS Physics A&P/IA General Radio Telephone Certificate Instrument Rated Pilot Retired Aerospace Technical Manager Semi-proficient Househusband ======================================= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: How much paint? From: "Ken" I used a white undercoat on the entire airplane. It seems like it took 5-6 qts. Kirker is a great cost / quality compromise. http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/ultra-glo-acrylic-urethane-enamel-paints-c-895.aspx There are more expensive paints out there and perhaps they come with higher quality but in the end you'll end up doing it a 2nd time due to upgrades. At least that has been my experience. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303609#303609 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion From: "Tim Juhl" OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unable to find some of the info I need in Zenith's drawings or guide. Perhaps those of you who have done the wing upgrade will help me out. Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --AD6-14 and --AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets" [1] The packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. I assume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar. Did anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith? [2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location. Am I correct that I am to replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? They also sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center section. Comments? As always I appreciate your comments. Tim Juhl -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Tearing wings apart for modification Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303616#303616 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:52 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Hi Tim, I am at the exact stage you are discussing, but I have taken a different path. I decided to use bolts instead of rivets when installing the new spar cap angle. I will use AN4 bolts in the inner section where the original 3/6 rivets are used and AN3 bolts where the smaller rivets are used. I already have the correct drill and reamer for the AN4 bolts, but I have not yet acquired a reamer for the smaller ones. I ordered it yesterday, but A/S seems to have them on back order. It is necessary to move up to AN4 bolts because the original holes used for the 3/16 rivets are too large for AN3 bolts. They would just rattle around in the oversized holes. The smaller holes, 5/32, don't have a corresponding bolt size so I will increase them to 3/16 for use with AN3 bolts. I realize the bolts are heavier than aluminum rivets, but I feel my skills are adequate to install the bolts and insufficient to install the huge rivets. If I had your exact situation I would merely order the required rivet sizes from Aircraft Spruce or a similar vendor to meet my needs. I was surprised the upgrade kit had exactly the required number of solid rivets when the first time builders have never used solid rivets before. This compares unfavorably with the supply of A4 and A5 Avex rivets which seems to be an ample supply measured by the pound rather than the exact number that matches the number of expected holes. I know I have an attitude problem when it comes to Zenith and the Heintz family, but I would not depend on them being around much longer to complete my plane. I am glad we got a "Blessed" design upgrade, but since we still have no clue what the actual problem is that led to all the deaths I have very little confidence the upgrade will fix the real (but still unknown) problem. I will just do my best to install the upgrade and then take my plane into phase I testing. I still have not decided whether to take it into phase II or not. Good luck, Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unable to find some of the info I need in Zenith's drawings or guide. Perhaps those of you who have done the wing upgrade will help me out. Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --AD6-14 and --AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets" [1] The packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. I assume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar. Did anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith? [2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location. Am I correct that I am to replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? They also sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center section. Comments? As always I appreciate your comments. Tim Juhl -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Tearing wings apart for modification Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303616#303616 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:27 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Hi Tim The 3/16" solid rivets supplied in my upgrade kit were all AN470AD-6-14's and AN470AD-6-10's.I thought that AN470AD-6-14's were too short for the spar cap-spar web-spar cap doubler-extrusion joint. So, for that joint, I used AN470AD-6-16 that I had purchased from Spruce. I used the AN470AD-6-14's supplied by Zenair for the outboard section beyond the end of the spar cap doubler where the joint is 1/4" thinner. My Avery rivet length gage showed the -16's being ~1/32" too long and the -14's being ~3/32" too short. My interpretation of the plans was to replace the 5/32" rivets in the spar cap beyond the spar cap doubler with 3/16" rivets, except for the most outboard one which was replaced with a 3/16" AN bolt. I was never able to develop what I considered adequate skills to set the 3/16" rivets with my 3X rivet gun. Fortunately, I was able to borrow what I call a "pounder" tool to set the rivets and it worked perfectly, so long as I didn't hit the spar with the hammer. It is possible that I would have been able to set Zenair's shorter rivets with my 3X gun, but I doubt that the shop heads would have met both the minimum diameter and minimum thickness specs. Like Paul, I found that the 3/16" rivet holes in my spar caps are too large diameter for AN3 bolts, so I bought AN4's to attach the spar root doubler plate. That's my next step. If you're interested in excruciating detail, you are welcome to check my Kitlog. Terry At 02:44 PM 7/3/2010 -0700, you wrote: >OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unable to find some of the info I >need in Zenith's drawings or guide. Perhaps those of you who have done >the wing upgrade will help me out. > >Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --AD6-14 and >--AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets" > >[1] The packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. I >assume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar. Did >anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith? > >[2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like >Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location. Am I correct that I am to >replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? They also >sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center section. Comments? > >As always I appreciate your comments. > >Tim Juhl Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done; Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety Directive http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:25 PM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Paul Reference your last 2 paragraphs- I thought they knew for sure the "upgrade" would cure the "known problem". Are you saying the upgrade may not fix the problem and no one knows what exactly caused the wings to fold on the XL's? Fritz---------do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion > > Hi Tim, > > I am at the exact stage you are discussing, but I have taken a different > path. > > I decided to use bolts instead of rivets when installing the new spar cap > angle. I will use AN4 bolts in the inner section where the original 3/6 > rivets are used and AN3 bolts where the smaller rivets are used. I > already > have the correct drill and reamer for the AN4 bolts, but I have not yet > acquired a reamer for the smaller ones. I ordered it yesterday, but A/S > seems to have them on back order. > > It is necessary to move up to AN4 bolts because the original holes used > for > the 3/16 rivets are too large for AN3 bolts. They would just rattle > around > in the oversized holes. The smaller holes, 5/32, don't have a > corresponding > bolt size so I will increase them to 3/16 for use with AN3 bolts. I > realize > the bolts are heavier than aluminum rivets, but I feel my skills are > adequate to install the bolts and insufficient to install the huge rivets. > > If I had your exact situation I would merely order the required rivet > sizes > from Aircraft Spruce or a similar vendor to meet my needs. I was > surprised > the upgrade kit had exactly the required number of solid rivets when the > first time builders have never used solid rivets before. This compares > unfavorably with the supply of A4 and A5 Avex rivets which seems to be an > ample supply measured by the pound rather than the exact number that > matches > the number of expected holes. > > I know I have an attitude problem when it comes to Zenith and the Heintz > family, but I would not depend on them being around much longer to > complete > my plane. I am glad we got a "Blessed" design upgrade, but since we still > have no clue what the actual problem is that led to all the deaths I have > very little confidence the upgrade will fix the real (but still unknown) > problem. > > I will just do my best to install the upgrade and then take my plane into > phase I testing. I still have not decided whether to take it into phase > II > or not. > > Good luck, > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:44 PM > To: zenith601-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion > > > OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unable to find some of the info I > need in Zenith's drawings or guide. Perhaps those of you who have done > the > wing upgrade will help me out. > > Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --AD6-14 and > --AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets" > > [1] The packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. I > assume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar. Did > anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith? > > [2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like > Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location. Am I correct that I am to > replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? They also > sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center section. Comments? > > As always I appreciate your comments. > > Tim Juhl > > -------- > ______________ > CFII > Champ L16A flying > Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A > Tearing wings apart for modification > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303616#303616 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Solid rivet confusion From: "Ron Lendon" I used a 4X gun and a 5lb bucking block of steel. The AN470AD-6-15's set just fine. The trick is to not pull or let off the trigger without having pressure (arm strong) against the factory head. The bucking bar just has to touch to shop head, you don't have to press hard with the bucking bar. Once you have set a few you can hear and feel when it is set right. The 3X gun wasn't doing a good job. There were a couple I had to remove and reset, the 4X gun expanded the rivets much better, the 3X gun rivets came out real easy, not so with the 4X gun, it took more work to get them out and that is a good thing here. All they sent me were the 15's and the 10's for the wing spars. They all finished within the Mil Specs. I think the reference to the 14's is an error in the print, call zenith or post to their zenith.aero site directly to Mathieu Heintz. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303636#303636 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:38 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Hi Fritz, You read me loud and clear. As far as I know, Chris still claims there was never anything wrong with the XL. Nobody else has said anything to indicate the problem has been isolated. The FAA folks originally chose to ignore the NTSB request to ground the fleet. After the November breakup they went whole hog in the other direction and insisted everyone install the "AMD" fix. Their engineers claimed there was a problem with the static load calculations, but they didn't claim this problem explained the breakups. There is a loud group who attacks me and anyone else who says there is something wrong. This is a case of "If you don't like the message then attack the messenger." The "AMD" fix is an attempt to strengthen the wings in the hope the problem will go away. It reinforces the wing structure in the areas where the separations occurred as well as any other place someone thought additional strength and stiffness might help. I personally hope it works. Only time will tell. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fritz Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Paul Reference your last 2 paragraphs- I thought they knew for sure the "upgrade" would cure the "known problem". Are you saying the upgrade may not fix the problem and no one knows what exactly caused the wings to fold on the XL's? Fritz---------do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:47 PM PST US From: "Karl Polifka" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Okay, I've said this before, prompted by the same stuff, from the same parties. I am being nice. The original 601XL flies just fine if you are a pilot with judgment who recognizes and accepts the aircraft's limits and characteristics. Ah, but on this forum we find "pilots" who brag about exceeding design limits, and on video we see idiots doing acro -- and pulling the wings off (duh), and other foolishness. The real problem is the morons. The fix is a reaction to the morons. The "fact" that the original structural load testing was a teensy bit under whatever is, in reality, immaterial. This is a nice little airplane that was designed to fly from A to B in a pleasant manner. It is nothing beyond that. Maxing g and/or airspeed near or beyond design limits to prove your cojones merely demonstrates stupidity. The design is okay. The modifications make it more okay. Our modified and tested airplane works fine -- of course, so did the unmodified airplane we had before we put 450 hours into it. People who have continually twisted knickers, or no pilot savvy or skills, are the problem, regardless of "professional experience or qualifications". Got that, Paul. Karl -------------------------------------------------- From: "fritz" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion > > Paul > > Reference your last 2 paragraphs- > > I thought they knew for sure the "upgrade" would cure the "known problem". > Are you saying the upgrade may not fix the problem and no one knows what > exactly caused the wings to fold on the XL's? > > Fritz---------do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mulwitz" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion > > >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> I am at the exact stage you are discussing, but I have taken a different >> path. >> >> I decided to use bolts instead of rivets when installing the new spar cap >> angle. I will use AN4 bolts in the inner section where the original 3/6 >> rivets are used and AN3 bolts where the smaller rivets are used. I >> already >> have the correct drill and reamer for the AN4 bolts, but I have not yet >> acquired a reamer for the smaller ones. I ordered it yesterday, but A/S >> seems to have them on back order. >> >> It is necessary to move up to AN4 bolts because the original holes used >> for >> the 3/16 rivets are too large for AN3 bolts. They would just rattle >> around >> in the oversized holes. The smaller holes, 5/32, don't have a >> corresponding >> bolt size so I will increase them to 3/16 for use with AN3 bolts. I >> realize >> the bolts are heavier than aluminum rivets, but I feel my skills are >> adequate to install the bolts and insufficient to install the huge >> rivets. >> >> If I had your exact situation I would merely order the required rivet >> sizes >> from Aircraft Spruce or a similar vendor to meet my needs. I was >> surprised >> the upgrade kit had exactly the required number of solid rivets when the >> first time builders have never used solid rivets before. This compares >> unfavorably with the supply of A4 and A5 Avex rivets which seems to be an >> ample supply measured by the pound rather than the exact number that >> matches >> the number of expected holes. >> >> I know I have an attitude problem when it comes to Zenith and the Heintz >> family, but I would not depend on them being around much longer to >> complete >> my plane. I am glad we got a "Blessed" design upgrade, but since we >> still >> have no clue what the actual problem is that led to all the deaths I have >> very little confidence the upgrade will fix the real (but still unknown) >> problem. >> >> I will just do my best to install the upgrade and then take my plane into >> phase I testing. I still have not decided whether to take it into phase >> II >> or not. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:44 PM >> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion >> >> >> OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unable to find some of the info >> I >> need in Zenith's drawings or guide. Perhaps those of you who have done >> the >> wing upgrade will help me out. >> >> Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --AD6-14 and >> --AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets" >> >> [1] The packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. >> I >> assume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar. Did >> anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith? >> >> [2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like >> Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location. Am I correct that I am to >> replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? They also >> sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center section. >> Comments? >> >> As always I appreciate your comments. >> >> Tim Juhl >> >> -------- >> ______________ >> CFII >> Champ L16A flying >> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A >> Tearing wings apart for modification >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303616#303616 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:06 PM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion Gentleman, this argument is over. We'll know by next year at this time whet her =0Athe "fix" is in!- If not, we hope for a good scrap aluminum price. =0AHappy Fourth!=0A=0ATerry=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Karl Polifka =0ATo: zenith601-list@matroni cs.com=0ASent: Sat, July 3, 2010 10:06:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith601-List: ifka" =0A=0AOkay,- I've said this before, prompte d by the same stuff, from the same =0Aparties.- I am being nice.=0A=0AThe original 601XL flies just fine if you are a pilot with judgment who =0Arec ognizes and accepts the aircraft's limits and characteristics.- Ah, but o n =0Athis forum we find "pilots" who brag about exceeding design limits, an d on video =0Awe see idiots doing acro -- and pulling the wings off (duh), and other =0Afoolishness.- The real problem is the morons.- The fix is a reaction to the =0Amorons.- The "fact" that the original structural loa d testing was a teensy bit =0Aunder whatever is, in reality, immaterial.- This is a nice little airplane that =0Awas designed to fly from A to B in a pleasant manner.- It is nothing beyond =0Athat.- Maxing g and/or airs peed near or beyond design limits to prove your =0Acojones merely demonstra tes stupidity.- The design is okay. The modifications =0Amake it more oka y.- Our modified and tested airplane works fine -- of course, so =0Adid t he unmodified airplane we had before we put 450 hours into it.=0A=0APeople who have continually twisted knickers, or no pilot savvy or skills, are =0A the problem, regardless of "professional experience or qualifications". Got =0Athat, Paul.=0A=0AKarl=0A=0A=0A----------------------------------------- ---------=0AFrom: "fritz" =0ASent: Saturday, July 03 , 2010 9:03 PM=0ATo: =0ASubject: Re: Zenith60 "fritz" =0A> =0A> Paul=0A> =0A> Reference your last 2 paragraphs-=0A> =0A> I thought they knew for sure the "upgrade" would cur e the "known problem". Are =0A>you saying the upgrade may not fix the probl em and no one knows what exactly =0A>caused the wings to fold on the XL's? =0A> =0A> Fritz---------do not archive=0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" =0A> To: =0A> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:02 PM=0A> Subject: RE: Zenith601- List: Solid rivet confusion=0A> =0A> =0A>> --> Zenith601-List message poste d by: "Paul Mulwitz" =0A>> =0A>> Hi Tim,=0A>> =0A>> I am at th e exact stage you are discussing, but I have taken a different=0A>> path. =0A>> =0A>> I decided to use bolts instead of rivets when installing the ne w spar cap=0A>> angle.- I will use AN4 bolts in the inner section where t he original 3/6=0A>> rivets are used and AN3 bolts where the smaller rivets are used.- I already=0A>> have the correct drill and reamer for the AN4 bolts, but I have not yet=0A>> acquired a reamer for the smaller ones.- I ordered it yesterday, but A/S=0A>> seems to have them on back order.=0A>> =0A>> It is necessary to move up to AN4 bolts because the original holes us ed for=0A>> the 3/16 rivets are too large for AN3 bolts.- They would just rattle around=0A>> in the oversized holes.- The smaller holes, 5/32, don 't have a corresponding=0A>> bolt size so I will increase them to 3/16 for use with AN3 bolts.- I realize=0A>> the bolts are heavier than aluminum r ivets, but I feel my skills are=0A>> adequate to install the bolts and insu fficient to install the huge rivets.=0A>> =0A>> If I had your exact situati on I would merely order the required rivet sizes=0A>> from Aircraft Spruce or a similar vendor to meet my needs.- I was surprised=0A>> the upgrade k it had exactly the required number of solid rivets when the=0A>> first time builders have never used solid rivets before.- This compares=0A>> unfavo rably with the supply of A4 and A5 Avex rivets which seems to be an=0A>> am ple supply measured by the pound rather than the exact number that matches =0A>> the number of expected holes.=0A>> =0A>> I know I have an attitude pr oblem when it comes to Zenith and the Heintz=0A>> family, but I would not d epend on them being around much longer to complete=0A>> my plane.- I am g lad we got a "Blessed" design upgrade, but since we still=0A>> have no clue what the actual problem is that led to all the deaths I have=0A>> very lit tle confidence the upgrade will fix the real (but still unknown)=0A>> probl em.=0A>> =0A>> I will just do my best to install the upgrade and then take my plane into=0A>> phase I testing.- I still have not decided whether to take it into phase II=0A>> or not.=0A>> =0A>> Good luck,=0A>> =0A>> Paul=0A >> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> -----Original Message-----=0A>> From: owner-zeni th601-list-server@matronics.com=0A>> [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl=0A>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:44 PM=0A>> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com=0A>> Subject: Zenith601-List: Soli l" =0A>> =0A>> OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unab le to find some of the info I=0A>> need in Zenith's drawings or guide.- P erhaps those of you who have done the=0A>> wing upgrade will help me out. =0A>> =0A>> Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --A D6-14 and=0A>> --AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets"=0A>> =0A>> [1] T he packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. I=0A>> as sume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar.- Did=0A >> anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith?=0A>> =0A>> [2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like=0A>> Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location.- Am I correct that I am to=0A>> replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? - They also=0A>> sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center s ection. Comments?=0A>> =0A>> As always I appreciate your comments.=0A>> =0A >> Tim Juhl=0A>> =0A>> --------=0A>> ______________=0A>> CFII=0A>> Champ L1 6A flying=0A>> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A=0A>> Tearing wings apart for modifi cation=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>> =0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303616#303616=0A>> =0A>> =0A >> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A> =========================0A =0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.