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1. 04:33 AM - 601xl down (N601xl@aol.com)
2. 05:38 AM - Back to the workshop! (Michel Therrien)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: 601xl down (ella)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: 601xl down (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Back to the workshop! (Carlos Sa)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Back to the workshop! (Michel Therrien)
7. 01:48 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (fritz)
8. 01:51 PM - stabilizer attachment (Carlos Sa)
9. 05:34 PM - Re: Solid rivet confusion (Tim Juhl)
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a 601xlb crashed around frankfort ky. around the end of June Has anyone
heard about this?
Frank
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| Subject: | Back to the workshop! |
Hi group!
-
Last weekend, I went to Les Faucheurs de Marguerite, one of the biggest fly
in we have around here.- They got 3000 visitors this year.- More than
-200 aircraft went to the "rendez-vous".
-
Flying there was OK despites poor performance due to temperatures and humid
ity.- On my way back, the engine went rough a few times.- I decided to
fly IFR ("I follow roads") just in case something goes wrong.--Just as
I was approaching CZBM, 25 minutes away from my airport CSB3, it went rough
again... I told my passenger (who did'nt notice a thing) that we will do a
stop in Bromont; he said "COOL!".- I climbed to 3200 feet and flew over
the airport.- I decided to do the approach as if I did not want to rely o
n the engine for final approach.- That went very well (I practice forced
landings often when I fly alone - approaching and landing on idle).
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Once on the ground, I turned the prop by hand and could hear a "click" in t
he engine at every four strokes... yark!- I decided to leave the plane th
ere.- My wife took a car ride to get us back and Thursday, me and a frien
d put the plane on a trailer to bring it back.
-
I decided to stop maintaining the Soob engine.- I have a brand -new Fra
nklin in my garage since more than 3 years and I don't work enough on it...
now that my plane is dismantled, I hope it will be easier to find the time
.--- This weekend, I built a box to store and protect the wings (good
first step).
-
So; not a pilot for a while; back to be a builder.
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do not archive
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ps: if I can find how to update my web site; I will (but I don't have Front
page anymore so it might take time).
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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Hi
What is the difference between a 601 xl vs 601xlb
Thanks don
----- Original Message -----
From: N601xl@aol.com
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com ; zenith-list@matronics.com ;
zenith650-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601xl down
a 601xlb crashed around frankfort ky. around the end of June Has
anyone heard about this?
Frank
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An XLB is an XL that has had the upgrade modifications done.
do not ardchive
-----Original Message-----
From: ella <ella_rhodes@att.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 8:04 am
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: 601xl down
Hi
What is the difference between a 601 xl vs 601xlb
Thanks don
----- Original Message -----
From: N601xl@aol.com
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Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601xl down
a 601xlb crashed around frankfort ky. around the end of June Has anyone
heard about this?
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Back to the workshop! |
Glad to know you are well!
I posted some pictures of the fly-in on Picasa, in case you are interested:
You are invited to view Carlos's photo album: St Lazare fly-in
2010<http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=carlossa52&target=ALBUM&id=5486457008661469441&authkey=Gv1sRgCI3K5YftrO6cAg&feat=email>
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Carlos
CH601-HD
Rear fuse in progress
Do not archive
On 4 July 2010 08:36, Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi group!
>
> Last weekend, I went to Les Faucheurs de Marguerite, one of the biggest
> flyin we have around here. They got 3000 visitors this year. More than 200
> aircraft went to the "rendez-vous".
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to the workshop! |
Thanks for sharing!- There were two good pictures of my 601.
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
--- On Sun, 7/4/10, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted some pictures of the fly-in on Picasa, in case you are interested:
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| Subject: | Re: Solid rivet confusion |
woo--- what is your problem Karl?
Fritz do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Polifka" <jfowler120@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion
> <jfowler120@verizon.net>
>
> Okay, I've said this before, prompted by the same stuff, from the same
> parties. I am being nice.
>
> The original 601XL flies just fine if you are a pilot with judgment who
> recognizes and accepts the aircraft's limits and characteristics. Ah, but
> on this forum we find "pilots" who brag about exceeding design limits, and
> on video we see idiots doing acro -- and pulling the wings off (duh), and
> other foolishness. The real problem is the morons. The fix is a reaction
> to the morons. The "fact" that the original structural load testing was a
> teensy bit under whatever is, in reality, immaterial. This is a nice
> little airplane that was designed to fly from A to B in a pleasant manner.
> It is nothing beyond that. Maxing g and/or airspeed near or beyond design
> limits to prove your cojones merely demonstrates stupidity. The design is
> okay. The modifications make it more okay. Our modified and tested
> airplane works fine -- of course, so did the unmodified airplane we had
> before we put 450 hours into it.
>
> People who have continually twisted knickers, or no pilot savvy or skills,
> are the problem, regardless of "professional experience or
> qualifications". Got that, Paul.
>
> Karl
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "fritz" <klondike@megalink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:03 PM
> To: <zenith601-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion
>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Reference your last 2 paragraphs-
>>
>> I thought they knew for sure the "upgrade" would cure the "known
>> problem". Are you saying the upgrade may not fix the problem and no one
>> knows what exactly caused the wings to fold on the XL's?
>>
>> Fritz---------do not archive
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
>> To: <zenith601-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> I am at the exact stage you are discussing, but I have taken a different
>>> path.
>>>
>>> I decided to use bolts instead of rivets when installing the new spar
>>> cap
>>> angle. I will use AN4 bolts in the inner section where the original 3/6
>>> rivets are used and AN3 bolts where the smaller rivets are used. I
>>> already
>>> have the correct drill and reamer for the AN4 bolts, but I have not yet
>>> acquired a reamer for the smaller ones. I ordered it yesterday, but
>>> A/S
>>> seems to have them on back order.
>>>
>>> It is necessary to move up to AN4 bolts because the original holes used
>>> for
>>> the 3/16 rivets are too large for AN3 bolts. They would just rattle
>>> around
>>> in the oversized holes. The smaller holes, 5/32, don't have a
>>> corresponding
>>> bolt size so I will increase them to 3/16 for use with AN3 bolts. I
>>> realize
>>> the bolts are heavier than aluminum rivets, but I feel my skills are
>>> adequate to install the bolts and insufficient to install the huge
>>> rivets.
>>>
>>> If I had your exact situation I would merely order the required rivet
>>> sizes
>>> from Aircraft Spruce or a similar vendor to meet my needs. I was
>>> surprised
>>> the upgrade kit had exactly the required number of solid rivets when the
>>> first time builders have never used solid rivets before. This compares
>>> unfavorably with the supply of A4 and A5 Avex rivets which seems to be
>>> an
>>> ample supply measured by the pound rather than the exact number that
>>> matches
>>> the number of expected holes.
>>>
>>> I know I have an attitude problem when it comes to Zenith and the Heintz
>>> family, but I would not depend on them being around much longer to
>>> complete
>>> my plane. I am glad we got a "Blessed" design upgrade, but since we
>>> still
>>> have no clue what the actual problem is that led to all the deaths I
>>> have
>>> very little confidence the upgrade will fix the real (but still unknown)
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> I will just do my best to install the upgrade and then take my plane
>>> into
>>> phase I testing. I still have not decided whether to take it into phase
>>> II
>>> or not.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Juhl
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:44 PM
>>> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Zenith601-List: Solid rivet confusion
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, maybe I need glasses but I have been unable to find some of the info
>>> I
>>> need in Zenith's drawings or guide. Perhaps those of you who have done
>>> the
>>> wing upgrade will help me out.
>>>
>>> Dwg. 6ZU-1 states (paraphrased) "...install extrusion using --AD6-14 and
>>> --AD6-15 (qty 4) and --AD6-10 solid rivets"
>>>
>>> [1] The packing list does not show any --AD-14 rivets, only --AD-15's. I
>>> assume these are to be used on the inboard section of the top spar. Did
>>> anyone have any trouble using the longer rivets supplied by Zenith?
>>>
>>> [2] The outboard rivets I drilled out were all --AD5's yet it looks like
>>> Zenith supplied AD6-10's for that location. Am I correct that I am to
>>> replace these outermost rivets with the larger diameter ones? They also
>>> sent some AD5-10's but I think they are for the center section.
>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> As always I appreciate your comments.
>>>
>>> Tim Juhl
>>>
>>> --------
>>> ______________
>>> CFII
>>> Champ L16A flying
>>> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
>>> Tearing wings apart for modification
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303616#303616
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | stabilizer attachment |
Hello, all
I am building the rear fuselage, and before committing to the position of
parts, I decided to check how the stabilizer would align.
Looks like I'll have to move it forward somewhat (2 or 3 cm), and perhaps
add a little shim to the rear attachment, so the width looks ok.
My question to the group is about edge distance: the (CH601-HD) construction
manual (Edition 3, Jan 1995) says, in the "tail installation on the
fuselage" section (page 26): "watch for a minimum edge distance of 13 mm to
any edge."
While the dimensions of 6F2-7 and -8 (6B3-3/4 on the XL) allow for this,
6T2-1 and 6T2-3 do not - or at least I don't see how.
Therefore, I am assuming that the 13 mm statement refers to the HT
attachment brackets only (6F2-7 / 8 on the 601-HD and 6B3-3 / 4 on the XL).
I would appreciate the group's comments on this.
Thanks in advance
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
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| Subject: | Re: Solid rivet confusion |
Thanks for the info... I appreciate all your comments. I was planning on using
a mix of rivets and bolts, assuming I can set the rivets OK with my 3x gun.
I haven't a lot of experience riveting (took an EAA class) and plan to set up
a practice jig to see how it goes. I did buy a 5 lb bucking bar which I understand
should help.
The features that attracted me to the XL in the first place haven't changed. My
hope is that experience with the modified aircraft will allow all of us to fly
our planes with confidence as long as we stay within the envelope, which is
true of all aircraft. I didn't mean to rekindle old arguments but we all know
that we'll have to wait for some time to pass to get our answers.
Happy 4th of July!
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Tearing wings apart for modification
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