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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Official Zenith601-List Usage Guidelines (Karl Polifka)
2. 05:54 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race)
3. 06:03 AM - OSH (roger lambert)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Report from OSH on 601xl update issues. (Bryan Martin)
5. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Report from OSH on 601xl update issues. (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: Official Zenith601-List Usage Guidelines |
Matt,
In addition to unsubscribing me, I would appreciate it if you could remove
my last few posts from the archive.
Thank you.
Karl Polifka
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:06 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Official Zenith601-List Usage Guidelines
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Please read over the Zenith601-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
> Zenith601-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
> following URL:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith601-List.FAQ.html
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> Thank you,
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> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
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> Zenith601-List Usage Guidelines
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>
> The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the
> Zenith601-List.
> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
> therein.
> Failure to use the Zenith601-List in the manner described below may result
> in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
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>
> Zenith601-List Policy Statement
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Sabrina:
What did the FAA people(hopefully engineers this time) who were willing to
identify themselves have to say about the 601xl? Please give us their names
and statements.
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| Subject: | Re: Report from OSH on 601xl update issues. |
No, what they have done is to "strongly recommend" that owners of E-LSA and E-AB
aircraft comply with the safety directive. The FARs state that it is up to the
PIC to determine if the airplane is in an airworthy condition. I, as builder,
PIC and aerospace engineer, have determined through a thorough phase 1 test
program and continuing inspections that my airplane is safe to fly within the
stated flight envelope.
On Aug 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
> Bryan and Mark,
>
> I believe you both have both interesting and true points.
>
> One thing I find slightly incorrect is the idea that the FAA can't do
> anything about Experimental airplanes. What they actually did was to
> declare that ALL Zodiac XLs were NOT AIRWORTHY until modified and any pilot
> who flies an un-airworthy plane was in violation of FARs. I realize this
> was not really enforceable, but they really, really, want owners to install
> the upgrade or at least do something, like Sabrina did, to acknowledge there
> was a problem in this design.
>
> Anyone who thinks they can control the FAA through interpretation of the
> FARs should consider the alledged FAA motto: "We're not happy 'till you're
> not happy."
>
> Paul
>
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Report from OSH on 601xl update issues. |
Hope soon, Floyd.
Still working on the upgrade, now finishing the upgrade in the fuselage,
-the wings will be next...
Gary Gower601 XL -Jab 3300
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, Floyd Gantt <fgantt@texaviation.com> wrote:
From: Floyd Gantt <fgantt@texaviation.com>
Subject: re: Zenith601-List: Re: Report from OSH on 601xl update issues.
TimThanks for your input as a builder reading this list I had become concer
ned with all the negativity of the list this last week. I am about to order
the wing kit from Zenith and this should finish my650 B. I was hoping to h
ear more reports from all who have completed the upgrade and were flying th
eir completed planes. I believe the more positive input we have the more co
nfident people will be in the completion and in new orders for the 650 B. I
believe the-survival-of the Zenith Aircraft Company is in the best int
erest of all owners. Please those flying with the upgrades please keep post
ing to the list all your informations as your knowledge and information hel
p us all.Thanks
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Report from OSH on 601xl update issues.
I listened in to some of the chatter after the Monday Zenith forum at Oshko
sh. I don't know which of the Heintz brothers said it but one of them comm
ented that "Interest in the Zodiac seems to be coming back so we may start
selling them again in the near future...." I suspect they took a step back
to see what public opinion would be. After all, why offer an airplane tha
t no one wants to buy? If the mods do the job I suspect that we will again
see the 650 parked next to the booth in Oshkosh. They have quite an inves
tment in tooling and materials that I'm sure they would like to benefit fro
m.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Tearing wings apart for modification
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