---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/25/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:23 AM - Air Speed Markings (MHerder) 2. 10:35 AM - Re: Air Speed Markings (Craig Payne) 3. 10:42 AM - Re: Air Speed Markings (Bill Steer) 4. 10:42 AM - Re: Air Speed Markings (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 11:16 AM - Help ! (jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 12:55 PM - Re: Help ! (Mark Hubelbank) 7. 03:53 PM - Re: Air Speed Markings (vvkidd@mindspring.com) 8. 04:24 PM - Re: Help ! (Jeff) 9. 05:49 PM - Re: Help ! (Larry McFarland) 10. 06:03 PM - Re: Help ! (Bryan Martin) 11. 06:35 PM - Re: Help ! (jaybannist@cs.com) 12. 07:28 PM - Re: Help ! (Jeff) 13. 08:25 PM - Re: Air Speed Markings (MHerder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings From: "MHerder" What type of tape, or what did you use to mark your airspeeds on your steam gauge type AS indicator? Red Vne, Yellow Va, Green ?? Is there a special product for this? -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310106#310106 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:24 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings Spruce sells it: OPERATING RANGE VINYL DECALS 10-03905 $2.95 -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MHerder Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:22 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings --> What type of tape, or what did you use to mark your airspeeds on your steam gauge type AS indicator? Red Vne, Yellow Va, Green ?? Is there a special product for this? -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310106#310106 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:59 AM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings I used Wag-Aero part number A-005-199. $4.75. Bill On 8/25/2010 1:22 PM, MHerder wrote: > --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "MHerder" > > What type of tape, or what did you use to mark your airspeeds on your steam gauge type AS indicator? Red Vne, Yellow Va, Green ?? > > Is there a special product for this? > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings From: jaybannist@cs.com Mike, I ordered a kit from Aircraft Spruce. It has everything needed, except th e patience required. I later ran the red not-to-exceed line clear over the bezel at the request of my DAR. Jay -----Original Message----- From: MHerder Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:22 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings om> What type of tape, or what did you use to mark your airspeeds on your stea m gauge type AS indicator? Red Vne, Yellow Va, Green ?? Is there a special product for this? -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310106#310106 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Help ! From: jaybannist@cs.com I need your help. My airplane, N2630J, "Lil Bruiser", a Zodiac 601XL with a William Wynne Co rvair engine, was a certified (E-AB), well mannered, flying airplane. In an off-airport landing, it struck a berm, bending t the nose gear strut, firewall, cabin floor and cowling. The prop was stopped in the horizonta l position, so the prop nor engine suffered damage. It is now hangared at Hicks Airfield near Fort Worth, Texas. Because of my physical condition, I am no longer able to fly, so I know th at I will never fly this airplane. Consequently, as you might guess, I have no motivation to repair it myself; and would like to sell it to some one who will fly it.. I have invested around $50,000 in the airplane and I am willing to sell it for $20,000. It will require about $3,000 in parts to repair. So for arou nd $23,000 (less than the cost of a 650 kit and an engine) and around 300 hours of work, a person could have one sweet $50,000 airplane in a relati vely short period of time. I have the XLB upgrade kit, still in the shipping containers that will be furnished to a buyer. My questions are: Is trying to sell the airplane as is, where is, reasonable? If so, how is the best way to go about finding a buyer? If not, should I consider selling parts, or just sell the whole thing to the salvage yard? Thanks for your help in advance, Jay Bannister ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:09 PM PST US From: Mark Hubelbank Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Help ! Jay, I would think your best bet it to sell it as is. Since it has flown and has an airworthness certificate, it should be worth more as a package. I also once damaged the nose wheel and had to streighten up some other metal. It turned out not to be as big a job as was expected. Most of the critical (read not easily replaced) parts could be fixed in place. Everything that needed to be replaced was done in perhaps 50 hours. I understand that Flight Crafters in Zephyrhills 813-690-1916 will do the upgrade at a very reasonable price. He is also likely to do the repair. I would ask for a ball park estimate. He will probably want a bunch of pictures. He can call me if desired about the issue of this particular repair. Then advertise it as is but show the estimates to make it flyable again. One thing I would do while waiting is treat the engine for long term storage. Good luck. On 08/25/2010 2:11 PM, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > I need your help. > > My airplane, N2630J, "Lil Bruiser", a Zodiac 601XL with a William > Wynne Corvair engine, was a certified (E-AB), well mannered, flying > airplane. In an off-airport landing, it struck a berm, bending t the > nose gear strut, firewall, cabin floor and cowling. The prop was > stopped in the horizontal position, so the prop nor engine suffered > damage. It is now hangared at Hicks Airfield near Fort Worth, Texas. > > Because of my physical condition, I am no longer able to fly, so I > know that I will never fly this airplane. Consequently, as you might > guess, I have no motivation to repair it myself; and would like to > sell it to someone who will fly it.. > > I have invested around $50,000 in the airplane and I am willing to > sell it for $20,000. It will require about $3,000 in parts to repair. > So for around $23,000 (less than the cost of a 650 kit and an engine) > and around 300 hours of work, a person could have one sweet $50,000 > airplane in a relatively short period of time. > > I have the XLB upgrade kit, still in the shipping containers that will > be furnished to a buyer. > > My questions are: > > Is trying to sell the airplane as is, where is, reasonable? > > If so, how is the best way to go about finding a buyer? > > If not, should I consider selling parts, or just sell the whole thing > to the salvage yard? > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Jay Bannister > > > * > > > * -- Mark Hubelbank NorthEast Monitoring 2 Clock Tower Place Suite 555 Maynard, MA, 01754 - USA mhubel@nemon.com 978-443-3955 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:19 PM PST US From: vvkidd@mindspring.com Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings Check Aircraft Spruce for IAS marking tape. Victor Kidd -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Payne >Sent: Aug 25, 2010 1:32 PM >To: zenith601-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings > > >Spruce sells it: > >OPERATING RANGE VINYL DECALS 10-03905 $2.95 > >-- Craig > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MHerder >Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:22 AM >To: zenith601-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith601-List: Air Speed Markings > >--> > >What type of tape, or what did you use to mark your airspeeds on your steam >gauge type AS indicator? Red Vne, Yellow Va, Green ?? > >Is there a special product for this? > >-------- >One Rivet at a Time! > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310106#310106 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:34 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Help ! Jay, Here is something to think about. Assuming that you have the Repairman Certificate for this plane, it would be much cheaper for the next owner if you repaired the plane and signed it off. Otherwise, the next owner will have to get an A&P involved. So the A&P is extra cost that reduces the value of your aircraft. Also, right now is not exactly a sellers market for airplanes. If you put it back into flying shape, it also will be much more attractive to a buyer and you could charge the market price. That is very likely to be more than what you are asking now. Jeff D _____ From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jaybannist@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:12 PM corvaircraft@mylist.net Subject: Zenith601-List: Help ! I need your help. My airplane, N2630J, "Lil Bruiser", a Zodiac 601XL with a William Wynne Corvair engine, was a certified (E-AB), well mannered, flying airplane. In an off-airport landing, it struck a berm, bending t the nose gear strut, firewall, cabin floor and cowling. The prop was stopped in the horizontal position, so the prop nor engine suffered damage. It is now hangared at Hicks Airfield near Fort Worth, Texas. Because of my physical condition, I am no longer able to fly, so I know that I will never fly this airplane. Consequently, as you might guess, I have no motivation to repair it myself; and would like to sell it to someone who will fly it.. do not archive I have invested around $50,000 in the airplane and I am willing to sell it for $20,000. It will require about $3,000 in parts to repair. So for around $23,000 (less than the cost of a 650 kit and an engine) and around 300 hours of work, a person could have one sweet $50,000 airplane in a relatively short period of time. I have the XLB upgrade kit, still in the shipping containers that will be furnished to a buyer. My questions are: Is trying to sell the airplane as is, where is, reasonable? If so, how is the best way to go about finding a buyer? If not, should I consider selling parts, or just sell the whole thing to the salvage yard? Thanks for your help in advance, Jay Bannister ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:44 PM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Help ! Jay, I think you'd be wise to advertise it at some of the free sites, your nearest EAA Chapter newsletter and try to sell it as a rebuild. I don't think it would take too long for someone to realize the value of your aircraft. It sounds like a good deal to me, so someone will probably jump in and buy it. Give it a few weeks. Best regards, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > I need your help. > > My airplane, N2630J, "Lil Bruiser", a Zodiac 601XL with a William > Wynne Corvair engine, was a certified (E-AB), well mannered, flying > airplane. In an off-airport landing, it struck a berm, bending t the > nose gear strut, firewall, cabin floor and cowling. The prop was > stopped in the horizontal position, so the prop nor engine suffered > damage. It is now hangared at Hicks Airfield near Fort Worth, Texas. > > Because of my physical condition, I am no longer able to fly, so I > know that I will never fly this airplane. Consequently, as you might > guess, I have no motivation to repair it myself; and would like to > sell it to someone who will fly it.. > > I have invested around $50,000 in the airplane and I am willing to > sell it for $20,000. It will require about $3,000 in parts to repair. > So for around $23,000 (less than the cost of a 650 kit and an engine) > and around 300 hours of work, a person could have one sweet $50,000 > airplane in a relatively short period of time. > > I have the XLB upgrade kit, still in the shipping containers that will > be furnished to a buyer. > > My questions are: > > Is trying to sell the airplane as is, where is, reasonable? > > If so, how is the best way to go about finding a buyer? > > If not, should I consider selling parts, or just sell the whole thing > to the salvage yard? > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Jay Bannister > > > * > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:49 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Help ! Anybody can make the repairs to this airplane, the repairman certificate is only required to sign off the annual condition inspection. In this case, the new owner could do all of the repairs and Jay might offer to inspect the work and sign it off as part of the deal. On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Jeff wrote: > Jay, > Here is something to think about. Assuming that you have the Repairman Certificate for this plane, it would be much cheaper for the next owner if you repaired the plane and signed it off. Otherwise, the next owner will have to get an A&P involved. So the A&P is extra cost that reduces the value of your aircraft. Also, right now is not exactly a sellers market for airplanes. If you put it back into flying shape, it also will be much more attractive to a buyer and you could charge the market price. That is very likely to be more than what you are asking now. > Jeff D -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Help ! From: jaybannist@cs.com Bryan, You are correct. If my airplane were repaired by a new owner, there would be no need to involve an A&P. I do have a Repairman's Certificate and wo uld offer to do a condition inspection after the repairs are completed. Th e original operating limitations would still apply, except for the Phase 1 test area, which would come from the local FSDO. . Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Martin Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 8:02 pm Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Help ! et> Anybody can make the repairs to this airplane, the repairman certificate is only required to sign off the annual condition inspection. In this case, the ne w owner could do all of the repairs and Jay might offer to inspect the work and sign it off as part of the deal. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:49 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Help ! That is certainly correct Bryan. I just don't think that I would want to do that, but Jay might. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Help ! do not archive Anybody can make the repairs to this airplane, the repairman certificate is only required to sign off the annual condition inspection. In this case, the new owner could do all of the repairs and Jay might offer to inspect the work and sign it off as part of the deal. On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Jeff wrote: > Jay, > Here is something to think about. Assuming that you have the Repairman Certificate for this plane, it would be much cheaper for the next owner if you repaired the plane and signed it off. Otherwise, the next owner will have to get an A&P involved. So the A&P is extra cost that reduces the value of your aircraft. Also, right now is not exactly a sellers market for airplanes. If you put it back into flying shape, it also will be much more attractive to a buyer and you could charge the market price. That is very likely to be more than what you are asking now. > Jeff D -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Air Speed Markings From: "MHerder" Thanks all. I figured spruce would have something. Their search function on their website is pretty weak though. I searched it about 15 different ways, and didn't find anything similar. -------- One Rivet at a Time! 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