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1. 05:18 AM - pitot static plumbing (chris Sinfield)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: pitot static plumbing (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: pitot static plumbing (Bill Naumuk)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: pitot static plumbing (Bill Naumuk)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: pitot static plumbing (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: 6G2-3 stop plate (Lee Steensland)
7. 11:01 AM - Re: pitot static plumbing (wa7dvd)
8. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: pitot static plumbing (John Davis)
9. 12:42 PM - 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings (vmi67@yahoo.com)
10. 02:05 PM - Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 03:22 PM - Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings (jaybannist@cs.com)
12. 03:41 PM - Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings (Dave Austin)
13. 03:56 PM - Re: pitot static plumbing (chris Sinfield)
14. 04:05 PM - Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings (chris Sinfield)
15. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: pitot static plumbing (Scott E Bevier)
16. 05:49 PM - Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings (Damien)
17. 06:12 PM - Nuts on outside (Damien)
18. 06:39 PM - Re: Nuts on outside (Carlos Sa)
19. 06:44 PM - Re: Nuts on outside (Jeff)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: Nuts on outside (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | pitot static plumbing |
Ok now for the exciting stuff
has anyone used the quick push in couplings for their air lines?
which to get Stein Air's? , Spruce??
Also going to use the second pipe on the Zenith Pitot tube for AOA and putting
in 2 fuse static ports
please post your comments..
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
Chris,
My DAR says he really prefers the push-on barbed connections for pitot and
static. Once on there, they will not come off. They must be cut off and
a new piece of tubing installed. He says the compression type connection
s tend to leak and fail a pressure check.
Jay Bannister
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From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 7:17 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: pitot static plumbing
oo.com.au>
Ok now for the exciting stuff
has anyone used the quick push in couplings for their air lines?
which to get Stein Air's? , Spruce??
Also going to use the second pipe on the Zenith Pitot tube for AOA and put
ting
in 2 fuse static ports
please post your comments..
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
Chris-
If you're talking about the couplings shown on the HH DVDs, I never got
an answer from Mark Townsend where he procured them, and I never saw them
offered the last time I was at Oshkosh. Neat idea if you can find them.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "chris Sinfield" <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: pitot static plumbing
> <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Ok now for the exciting stuff
> has anyone used the quick push in couplings for their air lines?
> which to get Stein Air's? , Spruce??
> Also going to use the second pipe on the Zenith Pitot tube for AOA and
> putting in 2 fuse static ports
>
> please post your comments..
> Chris
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
Jay-
Interesting. Since I couldn't find the "quick disconnect" couplings
for sale, your suggestion is the route I took.
Bill
do not archive
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From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: pitot static plumbing
Chris,
My DAR says he really prefers the push-on barbed connections for pitot
and static. Once on there, they will not come off. They must be cut
off and a new piece of tubing installed. He says the compression type
connections tend to leak and fail a pressure check.
Jay Bannister
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From: chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 7:17 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: pitot static plumbing
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Ok now for the exciting stuff
has anyone used the quick push in couplings for their air lines?
which to get Stein Air's? , Spruce??
Also going to use the second pipe on the Zenith Pitot tube for AOA and
putting
in 2 fuse static ports
please post your comments..
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
Chris
It depends of the type line you run also. If you run rubber hose (like fuel
line) use clamps , if you run 1/4 inch nylon use compression, and if you
use the clear rubber you can use barbed fittings. We do a pitot static check
of each aircraft and most have leaks and we repair them with compression
fittings and nylon lines. If your brake lines don't leak then that's pretty
good evidence it works and works well.
Jeff
In a message dated 9/3/2010 8:18:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Ok now for the exciting stuff
has anyone used the quick push in couplings for their air lines?
which to get Stein Air's? , Spruce??
Also going to use the second pipe on the Zenith Pitot tube for AOA and
putting in 2 fuse static ports
please post your comments..
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: 6G2-3 stop plate |
And I'm supposed to know this how?
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
I used the Safe Air quick connects that are now sold by Steinair. I have not had
the official static test done yet but from the testing I did they seal very
well when using the nylon tube they sell for it
-Bruce-.
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Zodiac 601XLb
N601BK
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
I've used the SafeAir fittings as well and have not had any problems
with my Pitot Static tests. You can also purchase them from
www.safeair1.com.
John Davis
N601JD - 601XL
On 9/3/2010 2:00 PM, wa7dvd wrote:
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> I used the Safe Air quick connects that are now sold by Steinair. I have not
had the official static test done yet but from the testing I did they seal very
well when using the nylon tube they sell for it
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> -Bruce-.
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| Subject: | 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings |
Has anyone designed of built a set of glass wingroot fairings for the 601XL
?
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I saw an old article on the web where-someone fabricated a set for-a 60
1HD and am trying to figure out how to do the same for my XL with the diffe
rent wing.
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The rubber gasket fairings are neither very pretty nor particularly effecti
ve,-especially if you don't have perfectly straight edges.
-
Jim
N156WT=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings |
Hi Jim,
I had good luck with the rubber gasket approach on the wing/fuselage joint.
I used the recommended glue - Locktite Stick'n Seal from Wal*Mart.
I had one area where the trimming I did on the wing skin left a gap between
the wing and fuselage. I fixed that by riveting a strip of skin weight (.
025 in my case) aluminum to the wing skin to fill the gap. It was just a
matter of shaping the strip to match the fuselage and not worrying about how
much overlap it had with the wing skin (of course considering minimum edge
distances).
Paul
XL upgrading second wing
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
vmi67@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings
Has anyone designed of built a set of glass wingroot fairings for the 601XL?
I saw an old article on the web where someone fabricated a set for a 601HD
and am trying to figure out how to do the same for my XL with the different
wing.
The rubber gasket fairings are neither very pretty nor particularly
effective, especially if you don't have perfectly straight edges.
Jim
N156WT
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings |
Jim,
Yes there was a guy that made fiberglass wing root farings for an HDS. Yo
u have to remember that the HD and HDS have no flaps. The flaps make it
difficult to incorporate much of a wing root faring for an XL. The guy
that made them for his HDS is Klaus Truemper of Dallas and he did a LOT
of research into the subject. You might pick his brain to see if he has
any ideas about adapting his design for an XL.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: vmi67@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 2:41 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings
Has anyone designed of built a set of glass wingroot fairings for the 601X
L?
I saw an old article on the web where someone fabricated a set for a 601HD
and am trying to figure out how to do the same for my XL with the differe
nt wing.
The rubber gasket fairings are neither very pretty nor particularly effect
ive, especially if you don't have perfectly straight edges.
Jim
N156WT
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings |
I made rigid foam forms on the a/c, coated them with epoxy and then cast
the fibreglas fairings with flanges for the wing and fuselage surfaces.
Fashioned after the Spitfire wing fairings, going back along the fuse
about 14 inches from the wing trailing edge.
They did improve air flow over the horizontal stab. and the elevators
Dave Austin 601HDS 912
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
Thanks Gang
I was going to use the Safe air stuff but have just read it works only with their
tubing.. Thats why I was looking at the Stein Air fittings.
I have as l have ready run the Zenith supplied 1/4 inch stuff, maybe the barbed
T's and stuff are the way to go. where do we get them from Spruce?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings |
Eddie Seve did it to his XL
here is his website page
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=eddieseve&project=343&category=0&log=50438&row=46
I forgot to take photos today, as I was so distracted with the fitting and initial
test flying with the wing fairings finally fitted. I have yet to collect some
worthwhile data, but one thing I can say for certain is that stall speed has
been reduced quite dramatically. I did 4 circuits in all, but it was at the
wrong time of the day as the thermals where a little rough.
First take off was with half flap and climb seems to have improved but I was getting
bounced too much for this to be accurate. In circuit the big thing I noticed
was the response of the ailerons is much improved, they are much more in
balance with the elevator. Cruse downwind required 200 rpm less to fly at 110lknots;
pervious was 2600rpm. Landings, it seems to take a little more effort to
slow the plane down and the flair is greatly improved.
I did a few more landings with various stages of flap and it feels like a different
plane.
Last landing was no flap and this one blew me away, previously the aircraft would
stop flying at around 35knots, this now seems to have drop by a good 8knots
or so (I'll need to do lots more landings to confirm this, but it was great,
even when the stall did occur it still wanted to keep flying. This would have
to have been my best landing to date and I now have 36 happy hours on the airframe.
Next week I'll post some photos, the fairings look fairly ugly in primer at the
moment; I'll also gather some data in nice smooth early morning air.
and finally here they are
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=eddieseve&project=343&category=0&log=56146&row=31
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: pitot static plumbing |
The push in quick connects are made by SMC. The KV series. They also make
the tubing.
Read all about it. Get CAD drawings.
http://www.smcusa.com/sections/products/fittings_tubings.asp
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From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris
Sinfield
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:55 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: pitot static plumbing
--> <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Thanks Gang
I was going to use the Safe air stuff but have just read it works only with
their tubing.. Thats why I was looking at the Stein Air fittings.
I have as l have ready run the Zenith supplied 1/4 inch stuff, maybe the
barbed T's and stuff are the way to go. where do we get them from Spruce?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings |
I am hoping that someone will design and sell a set of wing root
fairings
for the 601 HDS. I don't have the time or skill. I would think that it
would be a money-maker.
Regards,
Damien
N48TK
----- Original Message -----
From: vmi67@yahoo.com
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:41 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL fiberglass wingroot fairings
Has anyone designed of built a set of glass wingroot fairings
for the 601XL?
I saw an old article on the web where someone fabricated a set
for a 601HD and am trying to figure out how to do the same for my XL
with the different wing.
The rubber gasket fairings are neither very pretty nor
particularly effective, especially if you don't have perfectly straight
edges.
Jim
N156WT
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Group:
While I was waiting for a new prop this summer, I decided not to waste
the downtime, so
I drilled the rivets out of the cover over my instrument panel and gas
tank on my 601 HDS
and I replaced the rivets with nutplates, and with just bolts and nuts
along the longerons.
Unfortunately, it was a son-of-a-gun to put nuts and bolts along the
longerons. It would be
much easier if I were to thread the bolts from the inside and place the
nuts along the
outside of the longeron, on just the passenger side of the plane. My
plan is to use thin nuts
and the shortest 8-32 screws that I can. My AP/IA friend said that we
can't do that, because it
is not aviation. I want to do it anyway because it would make it so much
easier to access the instrument
panel and I don't think that it would affect streamlining significantly.
What say you, members of the jury ?
Regards,
Damien
N48TK
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts on outside |
Demian, I would run this by the folks at Zenair.
Good luck
Carlos
CH601-HD
Fuselage work in progress
On 3 September 2010 21:11, Damien <dgraham7@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> Group:
> While I was waiting for a new prop this summer, I decided not to waste the
> downtime, so
> I drilled the rivets out of the cover over my instrument panel and gas tank
> on my 601 HDS
> and I replaced the rivets with nutplates, and with just bolts and nuts
> along the longerons.
> Unfortunately, it was a son-of-a-gun to put nuts and bolts along the
> longerons. It would be
> much easier if I were to thread the bolts from the inside and place the
> nuts along the
> outside of the longeron, on just the passenger side of the plane. My plan
> is to use thin nuts
> and the shortest 8-32 screws that I can. My AP/IA friend said that we can't
> do that, because it
> is not aviation. I want to do it anyway because it would make it so much
> easier to access the instrument
> panel and I don't think that it would affect streamlining significantly.
> What say you, members of the jury ?
> Regards,
> Damien
> N48TK
>
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Damien,
I'm not sure why you want to use nuts and bolts at all. Do you have the
original side-to-side canopy? I drilled all the holes for riveting the top
skin and then changed to use aviation nutplates and screws all around. It
worked out fine, but I have an XL style canopy. The length of the bolt and
how many threads extend past the nut are valid "aviation" considerations.
Jeff Davidson
CH601-HD
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From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Damien
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Nuts on outside
Group:
While I was waiting for a new prop this summer, I decided not to waste the
downtime, so
I drilled the rivets out of the cover over my instrument panel and gas tank
on my 601 HDS
and I replaced the rivets with nutplates, and with just bolts and nuts along
the longerons.
Unfortunately, it was a son-of-a-gun to put nuts and bolts along the
longerons. It would be
much easier if I were to thread the bolts from the inside and place the nuts
along the
outside of the longeron, on just the passenger side of the plane. My plan is
to use thin nuts
and the shortest 8-32 screws that I can. My AP/IA friend said that we can't
do that, because it
is not aviation. I want to do it anyway because it would make it so much
easier to access the instrument
panel and I don't think that it would affect streamlining significantly.
What say you, members of the jury ?
Regards,
Damien
N48TK
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Hi Damien,
I found a slightly different way to accomplish the same goal you have. I
cut two large inspection holes and made corresponding plates to cover them.
This gives me relatively complete access to the area between the firewall
and instrument panel without messing with the longerons or other structural
components.
A picture is worth a thousand words:
Paul
XL upgrading second wing
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Damien
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:11 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Nuts on outside
Group:
While I was waiting for a new prop this summer, I decided not to waste the
downtime, so
I drilled the rivets out of the cover over my instrument panel and gas tank
on my 601 HDS
and I replaced the rivets with nutplates, and with just bolts and nuts along
the longerons.
Unfortunately, it was a son-of-a-gun to put nuts and bolts along the
longerons. It would be
much easier if I were to thread the bolts from the inside and place the nuts
along the
outside of the longeron, on just the passenger side of the plane. My plan is
to use thin nuts
and the shortest 8-32 screws that I can. My AP/IA friend said that we can't
do that, because it
is not aviation. I want to do it anyway because it would make it so much
easier to access the instrument
panel and I don't think that it would affect streamlining significantly.
What say you, members of the jury ?
Regards,
Damien
N48TK
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