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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... |
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| Subject: | Aileron gap seal. |
Hi Gary,
I am glad to see you are still around and flying.
I agree with your points - except for the notion that going fast is not
really valuable. I like to go as fast as I can in any airplane. Perhaps
that is why I didn't chose to build a 701.
I do agree with you about the idea that going faster doesn't really improve
your enjoyment. For me it is just a challenge that I can't resist. I
suppose I would follow your advice and build a Lancair, but I can't fly one
of those without a medical certificate. Besides, they have awful safety
records - much worse than experimental planes as a group.
Have fun,
Paul
Just finished second wing upgrade on XL - moving on to fuselage.
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Aileron gap seal.
I will like to give my point of view about this matter... For me now
flying my 701 and (hope) soon the 601 XLB... My idea of a clean airplane
is not related with more top speed.
I fly to enjoy my flight, is useless to get there faster, just take off
half an hour sooner and you save a lot of gas and time, same fun :-)
My idea of "cleaning" is more to have a better range and saving a few bucks
in gas is a bonus. we redesigned the cowling of our 701 and got a few mph
in cruise (from 84 to around 92 mph) at 5,100 rpms the flying range has
improved and the handling keeps great... Now we have a much better 701, we
used to have a wonderfull 701 :-)
I also think that we never finish working on our airplanes... "cleaning"
the plane is a better alternative to "adding goodies" and of course weight.
Go ahead with the work, time with the airplane is always rewarding.
Also a forgoten point... improve our flying skills, some pilots might fly
a little uncordinated (ball not exactly centered) or a "click" out of
trim... this generates a lttle drag and of course reduces speed (how much?
dont know).
Back to working...
Gary Gower
(Racers build Lancairs :-)
--- On Thu, 11/11/10, paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
From: paulrod36@msn.com <paulrod36@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Aileron gap seal
It is a pretty clean plane, and wheel pants would help, but your prop pitch
has a lot to do with it, also. Generally, you get either good climbouts or
good cruise, but rarely both with a fixed-pitch prop. There's a ton of
talent and experience on this net, and I'm sure somebody will have your
engine/prop combo, and has probably dealt with the problem. I think there's
general agreement that wheelpants will give you some additional knots, and a
few tweaks, assuming you have a ground-adjustable prop, might very well do
it for you. Frankly, I'm envious of anyone whose plane is done. Whenever I
get done, I may name it "Great Pyramid", or "Great Wall", or anything else
that took years, and years, and years, and.... well, you get the idea. Hang
in there.
Paul R
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hubelbank
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Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Aileron gap seal
Paul,
Interesting that you say it is a "slick plane", I find that I hit a
speed wall at about 120 MPH. Even with the 120 HP Jabiru 3300 on it, getting
much above 120 MPH is a very high throttle process and above 130 MPH is very
full throttle.
Granted I don't have wheel pants on it yet but I did expect better. When
I built it, I thought I could reasonable expect 115-120 knots (138 MPH) in
cruse with the Jabiru 3300 working at 75%.
Are you saying that I should expect it to have less drag than I am
experiencing?
On 11/11/2010 12:39 PM, paulrod36@msn.com
<http://us.mc520.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
Aileron seals would be a good idea, but, really, their only purpose would be
to get you past Vne sooner. Granted, it's a slick, clean plane as is, but
putting speed mods on it would only be gilding the lily. There's an old
Chris Heintz quote, allegedly when someone was arguing some nitpicky
construction point: "It's not a space shuttle, it's a tractor."
Paul R
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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Aileron gap seal
<http://us.mc520.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mhubel@nemon.com> >
Has anyone looked at the gap on the bottom of the aileron to see how much
drag it causes. It would seem that on other aircraft much smaller gaps have
been covered to reduce drag with significant results. Any reason it won't
work on the CH601?
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Mark Hubelbank
N708HU
CH601XL
Jabiru 3300
Rotec TBI 40 carb
Sensenich ground adj prop.
41 hr TAF
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Switch Wiring |
Thank Craig. It works very well. :D
Ianrat
Ch601xl
Brisbane Australia
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