---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/27/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:37 PM - compass position (chris Sinfield) 2. 03:39 PM - Re: compass position (Jeff) 3. 11:11 PM - Undercarriage failures (Andrew McMenamin) 4. 11:41 PM - Re: Undercarriage failures (Afterfxllc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:52 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith601-List: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... Dear Listers, Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching. I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation a float. Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: compass position From: "chris Sinfield" Advice from users required please I am about to order the standby compass and was wanting some advice from user's. I like the dash mounted ones over the pedestal ones and I do have room in the dash. When flying the local Sportstar with duel sticks, same config as mine, I see the dash compass move up to 5 deg when you move the stick. Has anyone seen this in the XL with the duel stick set up? what about with the duel stick and pedestal compass any movement on the compass with stick movement? I was thinking of the FALCON over the AIRPATH just over cost or is the Falcon not up to it? I had thought of a boat pedestal compass but the DAR said no.. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321237#321237 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:15 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: compass position Chris, Here in Washington DC USA my FAA Inspector insisted on an aviation wet compass too. I tried to order the Falcon at the time but delivery was unavailable. This was holding up my inspection so I ended up with the more expensive AirPath. I have a valid correction card on it but rarely do the math in flight, especially since I can read the heading and track off the EFIS or the GPS. I have read complaints before about varying deviation due to moving the stick on this list. I would suggest getting the compass as far from the stick as possible if you are going to rely on it every day. Jeff D ************************************************************************** Advice from users required please I am about to order the standby compass and was wanting some advice from user's. I like the dash mounted ones over the pedestal ones and I do have room in the dash. When flying the local Sportstar with duel sticks, same config as mine, I see the dash compass move up to 5 deg when you move the stick. Has anyone seen this in the XL with the duel stick set up? what about with the duel stick and pedestal compass any movement on the compass with stick movement? I was thinking of the FALCON over the AIRPATH just over cost or is the Falcon not up to it? I had thought of a boat pedestal compass but the DAR said no.. Chris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:13 PM PST US From: "Andrew McMenamin" Subject: Zenith601-List: Undercarriage failures Hi list members We have recently had both undercarriage legs fail in quick succession. We have an XL 601B with curved legs, which I understand are made of carbon fibre covered with fibreglass, and after a firm landing, noted on pre-flight a week later a 3 mm wide and 250 mm long longitudinal crack down the midline of the rear aspect of the left leg. We had this replaced, then last week the other leg gave way after a further firm landing, this time transversely across the upper leg just below the attachment to the fuselage. These landings were just typical firm student landings with an instructor and leg failure was not expected from either. Has anyone had a similar experience? Any recommendations? Thanks Andrew ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:08 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Undercarriage failures Andrew, I have worked on the ones with the gear you mention and was warned by the owners that my test pilot had to be sure not to make any hard landings or the gear will crack. On the other hand the aluminum gear is about as robust as you can get as discovered in a forced landing. I would suspect that the landings were hard enough to crack the outer fiberglass and if it would have been the aluminum gear it would be a non issue. If this is a SLSA you might want to contact AMD or whom ever they are this month and see if you can convert it back to the heavier gear. IMHO I don't think the 50 or 60 lbs is worth the risk of a gear collapsing and really doing some damage. I also think all you have to do is replace the gear supports and the new larger gear still fits in the gear channel. 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