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1. 07:06 AM - Re: Upgrades or lack there of! (Mark Hubelbank)
2. 01:17 PM - Corvair cowling and motor mount (Louie928)
3. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Upgrades or lack there of! (Walter Carey)
4. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Upgrades or lack there of! (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
5. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Upgrades or lack there of! (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Upgrades or lack there of! (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrades or lack there of! |
Interesting, This level of workmanship is scary. One would expect that
those who don't know how to do something on an airplane would ask for
help, that was not done in this case.
I was fortunate enough to have a friendly fellow flier a few hangers
away who was also a mechanic. I got some lessons in doing solid rivets
before doing mine and then he looked at the finished job. It is hard to
believe others would do less.
I also cheated and used a big (6000 lb rating) rivet squeezer to do all
the -6 rivets. It make the job very professional looking. The right
tools are always a great help.
On 12/11/2010 12:22 AM, Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
> As many of you know I have been doing upgrades for the past year and
> have lost count at this point. But what is the point of doing the
> upgrade yourself if you are not skilled enough to do it?
> After what I have seen between the aircraft that were brought in to
> the shop before the upgrade and one that was brought in after the
> upgrade I would venture to say the later would have been safer without
> the upgrade.
> I will be posting photos each day with a caption of what is wrong and
> how to spot it for buyers of a flying upgraded 601 XL-B.
> These photos aren't being posted to embarrass anyone but to merely
> show what could be the next wave of aircraft that should be safer only
> to be worse off with the upgrade being installed incorrectly.
> The first photo is of the rivets that were bucked incorrectly and will
> need to be replaced. Not only were they done incorrectly but some of
> the old rivets are still in the holes that were drilled wrong.
> Some of these rivet heads have a gap between them and the aluminum.
>
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Mark Hubelbank
NorthEast Monitoring
2 Clock Tower Place
Suite 555
Maynard, MA, 01754 - USA
mhubel@nemon.com
978-443-3955
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| Subject: | Corvair cowling and motor mount |
I received my cowling and motor mount for my Corvair powered 601XL-B. I bought
them from Aeromax. I liked the shape of the cowling and decided to get this one.
It is made from lightweight glass over a honeycomb core. No excess resin. It
weighs 12 lbs and that without the cutout for the prop hub. The motor mount
fits perfectly and the welds look good. It came with all the mounting hardware
for the cowling, piano hinge for the top/bottom half, nut plates and SS flat
head screws & countersunk washers for around the back. The motor mount came with
all the engine mounting hardware.
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Louis W. Ott
601XL beginner Quick Build
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322971#322971
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrades or lack there of! |
Jeff,
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-- Are all the photos on Facebook of the same aircraft? Many of the pho
tos show very poor workmanship to say the least. Most will requires many mo
re hours/money to correct than the time/money/effort to do the upgrade. WOW
.
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Walt Carey in Dayton, OH
About to start upgrade on kit.
601XL w/Jabiru 3300A
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--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Afterfxllc@aol.com <Afterfxllc@aol.com> wrote:
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com <Afterfxllc@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Upgrades or lack there of!
Here is a link to all the photos...-
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=39343&id=100000256688371&l=3eca
ba3433
They are on face book so you will need a face book profile I think. I would
post them to Zenith Aero but it takes too long.
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Jeff
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In a message dated 12/11/2010 12:22:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Afterfxl
lc@aol.com writes:
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As many of you know I have been doing upgrades for the past year and have l
ost count at this point. But what is the point of doing the upgrade yoursel
f if you are not skilled enough to do it?
-After what I have seen between the aircraft that were brought in to the
shop before the upgrade and one that was brought in after the upgrade I wou
ld venture to say the later would have been safer without the upgrade.
-I will be posting photos each day with a caption of what is wrong and ho
w to spot it for-buyers of a flying upgraded 601 XL-B.
-These photos aren't being posted to embarrass anyone but to merely show
what could be the next wave of aircraft that should be safer-only to be w
orse off with the upgrade being installed incorrectly.
-
The first photo is of the rivets that were bucked incorrectly and will need
to be replaced. Not only were they done incorrectly but some of the old ri
vets are still in the holes that were drilled wrong.
-
Some of these rivet heads have a gap between them and the aluminum.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrades or lack there of! |
Walt,
Those are different airplanes I am working on or have finished this year.
I told the new owner I would do all the repairs and replace the left
aileron for 2,000.00 and 500.00 for material and then he will have a bird he can
be confident in.
The airplane itself is built very well but it all went sour because of the
upgrade.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrades or lack there of! |
Hi Jeff,
It seems from your comments that the person who did the upgrade was not the
original builder of this plane.
I don't want you to violate any confidences, but I would like to know more
about the history of this plane. If you can tell us how it was built
(plans/kit/quickbuild) and how many different owners it has had that might
help to understand how this all happened.
If I understand the rules in the USA, a big job like this would probably
require an inspection by an AI even if the work was done by a licensed A&P.
In the experimental there is no government control at all over this process.
Only the owner has the authority to require inspection of any work by a
second mechanic. I really think current and future owners of this kind of
aircraft (Exp-AB) would benefit from knowing just how this fiasco came
about.
I am left wondering how such poor work was done. Perhaps this was the first
time the "Mechanic" who did this work ever did anything on an airplane?
Thanks,
Paul
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[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Upgrades or lack there of!
Walt,
Those are different airplanes I am working on or have finished this year.
I told the new owner I would do all the repairs and replace the left
aileron for 2,000.00 and 500.00 for material and then he will have a bird he
can be confident in.
The airplane itself is built very well but it all went sour because of the
upgrade.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrades or lack there of! |
Actually, the entire job on an E-AB could legally be done by literally anyone.
The only additional requirement is that the condition inspection must be signed
off by either the original builder with the repairman certificate for that airplane
or by an A&P. An AI is not required. Good luck finding an A&P who would
sign off this mess.
On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> It seems from your comments that the person who did the upgrade was not the original
builder of this plane.
>
> I don't want you to violate any confidences, but I would like to know more about
the history of this plane. If you can tell us how it was built (plans/kit/quickbuild)
and how many different owners it has had that might help to understand
how this all happened.
>
> If I understand the rules in the USA, a big job like this would probably require
an inspection by an AI even if the work was done by a licensed A&P. In the
experimental there is no government control at all over this process. Only
the owner has the authority to require inspection of any work by a second mechanic.
I really think current and future owners of this kind of aircraft (Exp-AB)
would benefit from knowing just how this fiasco came about.
>
> I am left wondering how such poor work was done. Perhaps this was the first
time the "Mechanic" who did this work ever did anything on an airplane?
>
> Thanks,
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive.
do not archive.
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