---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/27/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:07 AM - Chat Tonight (George Race) 2. 04:32 PM - Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (aprazer) 3. 06:20 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (Bryan Martin) 4. 07:06 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (aprazer) 5. 07:46 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:10 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith601-List: Chat Tonight Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:54 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative From: "aprazer" Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communiqu. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324724#324724 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:02 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative I looked for liability insurance for my 601XL and could not find one that would write a policy at any price because my airplane has not been modified. Chip Lennemann from Aerospace Risk Management Group, Inc. was a guest speaker at my local EAA chapter meeting this month. Just for a lark, I asked him if he was aware of the problem of obtaining insurance for the 601XL. He asked me to send him an email with the details about my airplane and my pilot experience. He checked with six insurers and found me a policy through Chartis for $319 a year. This is a one million dollar liability policy with no hull coverage. http://www.avnins.net/ chiplennemann@avnins.net On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:30 PM, aprazer wrote: > > It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. > > I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! > > This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. > > Global is & has been the underwriter. > > Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. > > This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. > > I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. > > Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative From: "aprazer" Bryan, Thank you for the introduction to Aerospace Risk Management Group, Inc... I have submitted an application this date. Let's see what happens. Again, thanks. Mack -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324744#324744 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:12 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative Bryan, YOU DA MAN!...Having built our own airplanes, we can rebuild them for less than a smaller repair at a shop. Like you, all I see need for is liability, If I break it, I know who can fix it for the cost of materials and parts.-----I'll remember these guys when it's time. Paul R From: Bryan Martin To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative > I looked for liability insurance for my 601XL and could not find one that would write a policy at any price because my airplane has not been modified. Chip Lennemann from Aerospace Risk Management Group, Inc. was a guest speaker at my local EAA chapter meeting this month. Just for a lark, I asked him if he was aware of the problem of obtaining insurance for the 601XL. He asked me to send him an email with the details about my airplane and my pilot experience. He checked with six insurers and found me a policy through Chartis for $319 a year. This is a one million dollar liability policy with no hull coverage. http://www.avnins.net/ chiplennemann@avnins.net On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:30 PM, aprazer wrote: > > It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. > > I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! > > This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. > > Global is & has been the underwriter. > > Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. > > This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. > > I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. > > Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. 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