---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/15/12: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:36 AM - Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/14/12 (Joe) 2. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: 601 down... () 3. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: 601 down... (Tonyplane) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:39 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenith601-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/14/12 Here are a couple of videos from the Zenith to Oshkosh party in 2011. http://youtu.be/gjPcUywpZsg http://youtu.be/itpNw3dR3BM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:19 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601 down... We seem to be missing something here. If you "slowly enter", and are in the stall regime, buffeting and bobbing, and there is still enough elevator to rapidly pull the stick back even further, you either have too much airspeed, or have too much elevator displacement for a non-aerobatic airplane. A violent pitch-down that would put you against the canopy shouldn't happen. Just my opinion, but based on a bunch of years of flying. Paul R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mulwitz To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601 down... > Hi Tony, Very interesting post. Thank you. Let me add for those with no aerobatic training . . . whenever you find yourself in a steep descent the first thing to do is pull power back to idle. This will prevent over-speed and also allow for a relatively low G pullout. Then a very gentle back pressure on the stick will get you back to level flight a lot faster than you expect. Paul On 4/13/2012 12:56 PM, Tonyplane wrote: > --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Tonyplane> > > As i understand it, acft impacted almost vertically > For those in 601XL flight test, and others, if you have never explored this part of your flight envelop: > > At or above 3000 ft AGL > Make sure lose articles in cockpit are secure > Make sure seat belt is tight. > Clear area. > Apply carb heat as req. > Retard throttle > Slowly enter into stall buffeting/"bobbing". > Keep wings level with rudder as req while still in stall regime. > Abruptly/rapidly pull stick full aft in attempt to fully stall wing or horz stab. > > In my acft, the pitch down is abrupt-without a seat belt I would probably go through the canopy. If pitched straight down, remember to neutralize stick, use rudder as req to prevent any roll and to recover w/o excessive Gs. > > Tony Graziano > 601xl/jab. N493TG; 655 hrs > > Sent from my iPhone http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:18 PM PST US From: Tonyplane Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601 down... CG Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 2:22 PM, wrote: > We seem to be missing something here. If you "slowly enter", and are in th e stall regime, buffeting and bobbing, and there is still enough elevator to rapidly pull the stick back even further, you either have too much airspeed , or have too much elevator displacement for a non-aerobatic airplane. A vio lent pitch-down that would put you against the canopy shouldn't happen. Just my opinion, but based on a bunch of years of flying. > > Paul R. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mulwitz > To: zenith601-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601 down... > > > Hi Tony, > > Very interesting post. Thank you. > > Let me add for those with no aerobatic training . . . whenever you find > yourself in a steep descent the first thing to do is pull power back to > idle. This will prevent over-speed and also allow for a relatively low > G pullout. Then a very gentle back pressure on the stick will get you > back to level flight a lot faster than you expect. > > Paul > > On 4/13/2012 12:56 PM, Tonyplane wrote: > > --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Tonyplane > > > > As i understand it, acft impacted almost vertically > > For those in 601XL flight test, and others, if you have never explored t his part of your flight envelop: > > > > At or above 3000 ft AGL > > Make sure lose articles in cockpit are secure > > Make sure seat belt is tight. > > Clear area. > > Apply carb heat as req. > > Retard throttle > > Slowly enter into stall buffeting/"bobbing". > > Keep wings level with rudder as req while still in stall regime. > > Abruptly/rapidly pull stick full aft in attempt to fully stall wing or h orz stab. > > > > In my acft, the pitch down is abrupt-without a seat belt I would probabl y go through the canopy. If pitched straight down, remember to neutralize st ick, use rudder as req to prevent any roll and to recover w/o excessive Gs. > > > > Tony Graziano > > 601xl/jab. 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