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1. 12:20 PM - CH601HD flaps (Marcos Varela Sartal)
2. 01:18 PM - Re: CH601HD flaps (GERALD A. APPLEFELD)
3. 02:07 PM - Re: CH601HD flaps (Damien Graham)
4. 02:42 PM - Re: CH601HD flaps (Marcos Varela Sartal)
5. 05:30 PM - Re: CH601HD flaps (Gerald A. Applefeld VMD)
6. 07:31 PM - Re: CH601HD flaps (Jeff Davidson)
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Hi to everybody,=0AI=B4m building a CH601HD and I=B4m interested on install
flaps due to the airfield that we fly (big trees on main header).=0AI look
ing around on the net for information about this and found some kind of spl
it flaps installed on the European Version of the CH601, mainly in the UK.
I saw some pictures from this planes but that=B4s all, Is there any way to
found this sheets or plans? Any imput or suggestion would be apreciated....
=0ABest regards=0A=0AMarcos Varela=0ASPAIN=0A
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HD flaps |
Marcos,
I have about 350 hours on my 601HD. Believe me, you DO NOT need flaps
on a HD. If I am high on final, all I need to do is pull power to idle
and the HD will settle like an elevator. Worse case is a side slip but
that is rarely necessary.
Jerry
On 11/15/2012 3:19 PM, Marcos Varela Sartal wrote:
> Hi to everybody,
> Im building a CH601HD and Im interested on install flaps due to the
> airfield that we fly (big trees on main header).
> I looking around on the net for information about this and found some
> kind of split flaps installed on the European Version of the CH601,
> mainly in the UK. I saw some pictures from this planes but thats all,
> Is there any way to found this sheets or plans? Any imput or
> suggestion would be apreciated....
> Best regards
>
> Marcos Varela
> SPAIN
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HD flaps |
I have the 601 HDS and that does not need flaps either. Just pull the power a
nd it comes right down.
Regards,
Damien
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 15, 2012, at 4:18 PM, "GERALD A. APPLEFELD" <jerryvmd@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
> Marcos,
> I have about 350 hours on my 601HD. Believe me, you DO NOT need flaps on a
HD. If I am high on final, all I need to do is pull power to idle and the H
D will settle like an elevator. Worse case is a side slip but that is rarel
y necessary.
> Jerry
> On 11/15/2012 3:19 PM, Marcos Varela Sartal wrote:
>> Hi to everybody,
>> I=C2=B4m building a CH601HD and I=C2=B4m interested on install flaps due t
o the airfield that we fly (big trees on main header).
>> I looking around on the net for information about this and found some kin
d of split flaps installed on the European Version of the CH601, mainly in t
he UK. I saw some pictures from this planes but that=C2=B4s all, Is there an
y way to found this sheets or plans? Any imput or suggestion would be apreci
ated....
>> Best regards
>>
>> Marcos Varela
>> SPAIN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HD flaps |
Hello Jerry, thanks a lot for your info. I=B4m a begginner with only about
50 hours of flight.=0AI flew about 40 hours on a Tecnam P92 to get my Permi
t to Fly and about 15 hours on my homebuilt Minimax. I have no problems wit
h my Minimax as it land at about 40km/h and like you said, just cutt off en
gine to iddle and down...But with P92 you need to approach very high to avo
id the trees (there are always turbulences up there) and after, you eat a l
ot of the runway even with flaps. I compared it because the approach speed
is similar to CH601HD. Another reason is the nose up attitude that let the
flaps. I flew 4 hours for practice on a Zephyr 2000 (faster airplane) and y
ou need almost the entire track......=0AI have an Jabiru 2200 engine for it
, that=B4s the reason I choose the 601HD instead of the XL.=0AJust some mor
e questions, I read a lot on the net about this airplane but:=0A-What=B4s t
he real cruise speed?=0A- Is true that in flight normally takes a nose high
attitude?=0A- Is true that baggage compartments covers on wings move in fl
ight?=0AThanks a lot for your comments and sorry for my poor english..=0AMy
Best Regards=0AMarcos=0A=0AP.D. Here it=B4s a link to my Minimax in flight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzrQn_37P0g=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A De: GERALD A. APPLEFELD <jerryvmd@embarqmail.com>=0APa
ra: zenith601-list@matronics.com =0AEnviado: Jueves 15 de noviembre de 2012
22:18=0AAsunto: Re: Zenith601-List: CH601HD flaps=0A =0A=0AMarcos,=0AI hav
e about 350 hours on my 601HD.- Believe me, you DO NOT need=0A flaps
on a HD.- If I am high on final, all I need to do is pull=0A power
to idle and the HD will settle like an elevator.- Worse case=0A is a
side slip but that is rarely necessary.=0AJerry=0AOn 11/15/2012 3:19 PM, M
arcos Varela Sartal wrote:=0A=0AHi to everybody,=0A>I=B4m building a CH601H
D and I=B4m interested on install flaps due to the airfield that we fly (bi
g trees on main header).=0A>I looking around on the net for information abo
ut this and found some kind of split flaps installed on the European Versio
n of the CH601, mainly in the UK. I saw some pictures from this planes but
that=B4s all, Is there any way to found this sheets or plans? Any imput or
suggestion would be apreciated....=0A>Best regards=0A>=0A>=0A>Marcos Varela
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HD flaps |
Marcos,
I have a Jabiru 3300, no wheel pants and built per plans except I added
the forward tilt canopy. If you stiffen the baggage locker doors (check
the list archives) and add extra Dzus fasteners (I have a total of 8)
then there is no movement in flight. With the 3300 there is definitely
no nose high attitude. Most people are finding the need for slight nose
up trim or slight adjustment of the horizontal stab. but it is a weight
and balance issue only. Move the battery fore or aft to get the W&B in
the center then no problem. I have leading edge fuel tanks with 15
gallons in each plus an 8 gallon header tank. With a fixed pitch
Sensenich prop I fly at an indicated of 105-110 mph at 2700 to 2750 RPM,
at a fuel burn of about 5.5 gal/hr. If I increase RPM to 2800 I get
about 115 MPH but fuel burn goes up to 6 - 6.5 gal/hr.. At 2650 the fuel
burn goes below 5 gal/hr and the cruise is about 99-100mph. I still say
no flaps needed for the HD. If I pull power and set for 60-65 indicated
I can land in less than 700 feet with little braking. The descent angle
is quite steep. I normally do final at 70-75 and slow to 65 over the
fence and still land in less than 1000 feet. Good luck it's a fine plane.
Jerry
On 11/15/2012 5:42 PM, Marcos Varela Sartal wrote:
> Hello Jerry, thanks a lot for your info. Im a begginner with only
> about 50 hours of flight.
> I flew about 40 hours on a Tecnam P92 to get my Permit to Fly and
> about 15 hours on my homebuilt Minimax. I have no problems with my
> Minimax as it land at about 40km/h and like you said, just cutt off
> engine to iddle and down...But with P92 you need to approach very high
> to avoid the trees (there are always turbulences up there) and after,
> you eat a lot of the runway even with flaps. I compared it because the
> approach speed is similar to CH601HD. Another reason is the nose up
> attitude that let the flaps. I flew 4 hours for practice on a Zephyr
> 2000 (faster airplane) and you need almost the entire track......
> I have an Jabiru 2200 engine for it, thats the reason I choose the
> 601HD instead of the XL.
> Just some more questions, I read a lot on the net about this airplane but:
> -Whats the real cruise speed?
> - Is true that in flight normally takes a nose high attitude?
> - Is true that baggage compartments covers on wings move in flight?
> Thanks a lot for your comments and sorry for my poor english..
> My Best Regards
> Marcos
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| Subject: | Re: CH601HD flaps |
Marcos,
Let me second (or third) everything Jerry said. He is exactly right. No flaps
needed. RPMS and speeds match mine. I have almost the same set up: 601 HD with
the XL front hinged canopy and a Jabiru 3300. Take off and landing videos
are online. Just Google "N601T".
Jeff Davidson
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: "Gerald A. Applefeld VMD"
Sent: Nov 15, 2012 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: CH601HD flaps
Marcos,
I have a Jabiru 3300, no wheel pants and built per plans except I added the forward
tilt canopy. If you stiffen the baggage locker doors (check the list archives)
and add extra Dzus fasteners (I have a total of 8) then there is no movement
in flight. With the 3300 there is definitely no nose high attitude. Most
people are finding the need for slight nose up trim or slight adjustment of
the horizontal stab. but it is a weight and balance issue only. Move the battery
fore or aft to get the W&B in the center then no problem. I have leading
edge fuel tanks with 15 gallons in each plus an 8 gallon header tank. With
a fixed pitch Sensenich prop I fly at an indicated of 105-110 mph at 2700 to 2750
RPM, at a fuel burn of about 5.5 gal/hr. If I increase RPM to 2800 I get
about 115 MPH but fuel burn goes up to 6 - 6.5 gal/hr.. At 2650 the fuel burn
goes below 5 gal/hr and the cruise is about 99-100mph. I still say no flaps needed
for the HD. If I pull power and set for 60-65 indicated I can land in less
than 700 feet with little braking. The descent angle is quite steep. I normally
do final at 70-75 and slow to 65 over the fence and still land in less
than 1000 feet. Good luck it's a fine plane.
Jerry
On 11/15/2012 5:42 PM, Marcos Varela Sartal wrote:
Hello Jerry, thanks a lot for your info. Im a begginner with only about 50 hours
of flight.
I flew about 40 hours on a Tecnam P92 to get my Permit to Fly and about 15 hours
on my homebuilt Minimax. I have no problems with my Minimax as it land at about
40km/h and like you said, just cutt off engine to iddle and down...But with
P92 you need to approach very high to avoid the trees (there are always turbulences
up there) and after, you eat a lot of the runway even with flaps. I compared
it because the approach speed is similar to CH601HD. Another reason is
the nose up attitude that let the flaps. I flew 4 hours for practice on a Zephyr
2000 (faster airplane) and you need almost the entire track......
I have an Jabiru 2200 engine for it, thats the reason I choose the 601HD instead
of the XL.
Just some more questions, I read a lot on the net about this airplane but:
-Whats the real cruise speed?
- Is true that in flight normally takes a nose high attitude?
- Is true that baggage compartments covers on wings move in flight?
Thanks a lot for your comments and sorry for my poor english..
My Best Regards
Marcos
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