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1. 01:08 PM - Engine Question (LNelson)
2. 01:37 PM - Re: Engine Question (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 02:32 PM - Re: Engine Question (Erwin Beckman)
4. 02:46 PM - Re: Engine Question (Carlos Sa)
5. 03:01 PM - Re: Engine Question (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 03:29 PM - Re: Engine Question (Brad Rawls)
7. 04:51 PM - Re: Engine Question ()
8. 05:09 PM - Re: Engine Question (JohnDRead@AOL.COM)
9. 05:22 PM - Re: Engine Question (Larry McFarland)
10. 05:30 PM - Re: Engine Question (Carlos Sa)
11. 06:20 PM - Re: Engine Question (Jerry)
12. 10:35 PM - Re: Engine Question (Jeff Davidson)
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I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start building my wife
wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one thing that
will drastically change this budget is the engine selection. Right now I am torn
between two choices. First would be a VW conversion, second would be a Lycoming
0-235.
any thoughts?
Larry Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
Hi Larry,
I agree with your wife. The engine is most likely to be the most
expensive part of your project. The good news is you should put off
buying the engine until your plane is nearly ready for it. That way if
you don't complete your project (a common outcome for home built
aircraft) you won't buy an engine you can't use.
I am not very familiar with the HD since I built and completed an XL. I
suspect the VW conversion family would be very low power for your
plane. The O-235 or O-200 would probably be sufficient for power but
very heavy. There are many other choices. Perhaps your best choice for
now would be to consider a low time O-200 or O-235 for your budget and
then get serious about what engine to use when you finish building your
kit. That will probably be many years from now. Meanwhile you an keep
an eye out for other Zodiac builders and see what they used and how they
like it. You might also get demo rides to help with your choice.
Good luck,
Paul
Camas, WA
On 3/19/2013 1:07 PM, LNelson wrote:
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> I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start building my
wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one thing that
will drastically change this budget is the engine selection. Right now I am
torn between two choices. First would be a VW conversion, second would be a
Lycoming 0-235.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Larry Nelson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
I have a thought...try a Jabiru 3300. I have a Zodiac 601XL-B with
a 3300 and it is very powerful, but not too much for the plane. I have
thirteen hours on it, now and it is great!!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, LNelson <lk.nelson@juno.com> wrote:
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> I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start building
my wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one th
ing that will drastically change this budget is the engine selection. Righ
t now I am torn between two choices. First would be a VW conversion, secon
d would be a Lycoming 0-235.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Larry Nelson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
This is a very nice Zodie, Erwin
I am trying to decide between a 2200 and a 3300 - obviously the 3300 is
preferred from the performance point of view, but is the performance
improvement worth the extra $ ?
Comments, anyone?
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
On 19 March 2013 17:31, Erwin Beckman <erwinfbeckman@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a thought...try a Jabiru 3300. I have a Zodiac 601XL-B with
> a 3300 and it is very powerful, but not too much for the plane. I have
> thirteen hours on it, now and it is great!!
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, LNelson <lk.nelson@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start
> building my wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As
> such one thing that will drastically change this budget is the engine
> selection. Right now I am torn between two choices. First would be a VW
> conversion, second would be a Lycoming 0-235.
> >
> > any thoughts?
> >
> > Larry Nelson
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
Hi Carlos,
Like all other decisions about airplanes the answer is "It depends".
A 2200 is probably enough power for a Zodiac, even an XL, if you are
happy with minimal performance. The larger 3300 will produce a little
faster cruise, but the real difference will show up in take off and
climb performance. Either one will give you great fuel consumption -
especially if you are easy on the throttle.
The other consideration is the engine weight. A Zodiac XL with 3300
(mine) comes out initially with the CG exactly in the middle of the
envelope. This is the engine the model was designed to use. If you use
a lighter engine the CG will move toward the rear. With a heavier
engine it will move toward the nose.
A nose heavy airplane flies just fine but is not very nimble. A tail
heavy plane can present real problems with stalls, spins, and airspeed
stability.
Good luck.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 3/19/2013 2:45 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> This is a very nice Zodie, Erwin
>
> I am trying to decide between a 2200 and a 3300 - obviously the 3300
> is preferred from the performance point of view, but is the
> performance improvement worth the extra $ ?
>
> Comments, anyone?
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
> On 19 March 2013 17:31, Erwin Beckman <erwinfbeckman@gmail.com
> <mailto:erwinfbeckman@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I have a thought...try a Jabiru 3300. I have a Zodiac 601XL-B with
> a 3300 and it is very powerful, but not too much for the plane. I have
> thirteen hours on it, now and it is great!!
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, LNelson <lk.nelson@juno.com
> <mailto:lk.nelson@juno.com>> wrote:
> <lk.nelson@juno.com <mailto:lk.nelson@juno.com>>
> >
> > I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start
> building my wife wants me to come up with a budget for the
> project. As such one thing that will drastically change this
> budget is the engine selection. Right now I am torn between two
> choices. First would be a VW conversion, second would be a
> Lycoming 0-235.
> >
> > any thoughts?
> >
> > Larry Nelson
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Check out the Viking conversion (Vikingaircraftengines.com). 110 HP, only a
little heavier than the 3300, modern technology (FADAC, no carbs or
mixture), based on Honda's cylinder Fit and outboard engine. Very nice
price and customer service.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LNelson
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Engine Question
I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start building my
wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one thing
that will drastically change this budget is the engine selection. Right now
I am torn between two choices. First would be a VW conversion, second would
be a Lycoming 0-235.
any thoughts?
Larry Nelson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
Lycomings, Jabirus, and their like are beautiful engines, and if you're
willing to drop somewhere around twenty K, they're a good bet.
Volkswagen is nice, but might not give you as much power as you'd like.
But, before you make up your mind, you might want to have a look at
Corvair. Yeah, THAT corvair. An air-cooled, six cylinder, opposed,
direct drive engine able to give you something between 100 and 110
horsepower, for way less than Lycs, Jabs, etc., and way smoother than a
four, can put you way ahead of the budget game. Go look up
www.flycorvair<http://www.flycorvair/>, and see what William Wynne has
to offer. You can pick up a Corvair engine for around $250 or less, put
a couple of grand into WW's parts, get some from Clark's Corvairs, and
make SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) smile. If you're not an engine guy,
you can lay out somewhere around ten grand, and WW builds and test runs
it for you. If you just need an eye over your shoulder, you bring your
pile of parts to Corvair College, and you go home with an engine that's
been built, test run, and blessed by WW. Go thou, and take yer
choice....
Paul Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----
From: LNelson<mailto:lk.nelson@juno.com>
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith601-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Engine Question
<lk.nelson@juno.com<mailto:lk.nelson@juno.com>>
I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start
building my wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As
such one thing that will drastically change this budget is the engine
selection. Right now I am torn between two choices. First would be a
VW conversion, second would be a Lycoming 0-235.
any thoughts?
Larry Nelson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597<http://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Zenith601-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
It depends on the elevations you will be flying at. Close to sea level the
2200 will be adequate. If you live at 7000 ft elevation at I do in Colorado
the 3300 is a better solution. The six should also be smoother than the
four cylinder unit.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 3/19/2013 3:47:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
This is a very nice Zodie, Erwin
I am trying to decide between a 2200 and a 3300 - obviously the 3300 is
preferred from the performance point of view, but is the performance
improvement worth the extra $ ?
Comments, anyone?
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
On 19 March 2013 17:31, Erwin Beckman <_erwinfbeckman@gmail.com_
(mailto:erwinfbeckman@gmail.com) > wrote:
I have a thought...try a Jabiru 3300. I have a Zodiac 601XL-B with
a 3300 and it is very powerful, but not too much for the plane. I have
thirteen hours on it, now and it is great!!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, LNelson <_lk.nelson@juno.com_
(mailto:lk.nelson@juno.com) > wrote:
(mailto:lk.nelson@juno.com) >
>
> I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start
building my wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one
thing that will drastically change this budget is the engine selection.
Right now I am torn between two choices. First would be a VW conversion,
second would be a Lycoming 0-235.
>
> any thoughts?
>
> Larry Nelson
>
>
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List)
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Larry,
I'd mention that I used a Subaru for 7 years and thought it was a great
economic engine and it was very reliable once understood.
It was originally designed to be an aircraft engine. (reference
macsmachine.com and engine page)
My first choice after that would be the Corvair as it too is economic, a bit
faster, but a great engine that is simple too.
Larry McFarland 601HDS - Cherokee
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LNelson
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:08 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Engine Question
I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start building my
wife wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one thing
that will drastically change this budget is the engine selection. Right now
I am torn between two choices. First would be a VW conversion, second would
be a Lycoming 0-235.
any thoughts?
Larry Nelson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
That's part of the reason I asked the question. I live in the Montreal
area: mostly flat, around ~160 ft...
On 19 March 2013 20:08, <JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote:
> **
> It depends on the elevations you will be flying at. Close to sea level the
> 2200 will be adequate. If you live at 7000 ft elevation at I do in Colorado
> the 3300 is a better solution. The six should also be smoother than the
> four cylinder unit.
>
> Regards, John
>
> CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
>
> Cell: 719-494-4567
> Home: 303-648-3261
>
> In a message dated 3/19/2013 3:47:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
>
> This is a very nice Zodie, Erwin
>
> I am trying to decide between a 2200 and a 3300 - obviously the 3300 is
> preferred from the performance point of view, but is the performance
> improvement worth the extra $ ?
>
> Comments, anyone?
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
Carlos,
Since you are building an HDS, I think the 3300 would be preferred over the 2200.
The 2200 would work with the HD since it has more wing area. Don Honabach
has an HDS with the 3300 and he is pleased with it. I have a 912 ULS in my HDS
and am happy with it, but I think the 80 HP would be a little bit short on
power. During the summer I can really tell the difference in the performance.
I fly out of an airport that is at 1200 ft. elevation.
To give my 2 cents worth to Larry about his question on the VW and O-235. The
VW doesn't have enough HP. The O-235 makes the HD a single place airplane due
to the weight. The orginal gross weight of an HD is 1200 lbs. My HDS came in
at 625 empty with the 912, with the O-235 it would be closer to 725. That would
give you 475 lbs for pilot, copilot, gas, and baggage. Not much.
Jerry Latimer
601HDS 912ULS 215 hrs and loving it.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Question |
Larry,
Great choice on the HD model. None of the 601s are fast airplanes and you will
be happy with the HDs climb. You might consider using the front hindged XL canopy
however. The origonal HD design was innovative, but it was possible for
the canopy to become unlatched on both sides. Do install both wing lockers.
They are good sized and handy. For me, the 16 thou skins are fine. Some builders
use 20 for a cleaner look, but that is cosmetic. I used Zenith's leading
edge wings tanks with no header tank. The systems works like a Piper Warrior
does except the fuel pumps are located at the tanks to push the fuel to the
engine instead of sucking it. At almost 15 gallons a side, the range is super.
Jeff Davidson
CH601-HD/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
>From: LNelson <lk.nelson@juno.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2013 4:07 PM
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith601-List: Engine Question
>
>
>I have recently purchased a set of 601 HD plans. Before I start building my wife
wants me to come up with a budget for the project. As such one thing that
will drastically change this budget is the engine selection. Right now I am
torn between two choices. First would be a VW conversion, second would be a Lycoming
0-235.
>
>any thoughts?
>
>Larry Nelson
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396597#396597
>
>
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