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3. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: New to aircraft, flying tips needed. 601XL-B (Damien Graham)
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| Subject: | Re: New to aircraft, flying tips needed. 601XL-B |
Well all...... Here is my update!
Flew the airplane this weekend past with a 30 plus year , 25,000 hour pilot! It
was my only option, as even Zenair didn't have anyone they could reccomend. So,
we just went at it. First flight was scary, as we had a BRUTAL propellor vibration
and had to get her back on solid ground. We could only muster 4800 rpm!
It still climbed 700/min. Changed the prop, hub and spinner from the GSC wooden,
set pitch to 14 degrees and went at it again! WOW!!! Climbed 1300'/min at
just shy of gross, with a cruise at 5100 rpm of 105kts! Open it to 5200 and I
see 110kts all day. Fuel burn was amazing, and all worked well. Oil temps creeped
a bit, and I think they'll give me some issues. Any idea if a tab of aluminum
under the cowl will help like on the 701's? My cooler is fed by two naca
openings. I just don't think the cowl is venting properly. CHT's are great though.
So, onto the flight review. We flew 5 hours which is what the insurance co wanted.
I flew the first half in the right seat with no brakes, radio access to tower
and a crappy T-Bar throttle. I made my first 7 landings there! Not a problem
at all. Only two issues we found was that it shoots off the runway abruptly,
which I'm thinking is too late of rotation. 65kts or so. The second issue was
the landings. No matter how hard I try to hold the nose off, it still THUMPS
down HARD! Flapless landings went better then expected, as long as you slow the
airplane WELL in advance! It refuses to slow down actually! Lol
I performed the balance from the left seat, and was at home there! I flew the airplane
completely unassisted the first time, and needed no help in doing so.
What a beautiful airplane!!! Killer climb, GREAT cruise..... I'm not touching
a THING! Seems set up PERFECT! I don't even run out of trim like everyone else
on final with full flaps. It CAN be tricky in the flare solo, wanting to float
for days, but almost ALL of my landings were still inside 400'. I LOVE LOVE
LOVE LOVE the airplane! However, I am still a little nervous because of all the
bad press the airplane has had over the years. But, if it doesn't try to kill
me, and the engine runs as well as it does, I'm IN LOVE! MAN! What a plane!
Now...... If I could figure out how to get that nose wheel lowered without the
thump...... It would be perfect. Total weekend, 5 hours, decent conditions, breathtaking
climb rate, and I'm MORE then content with 100kts getting 3.7 gal/hr
burn! Just..... What. A. Ride! I went for a solo flight, and didn't really notice
the missing 150lb instructor. Same climb, same cruise, but floated on landings
much more. I love that Rotax 912ULS. I'VE got the airbox, so I'm sure that
helps with power. One MAJOR thing I noticed is how on a takeoff, application
of power was unreal! Really pushes you back in the seat on take off and climb
out.
Feedback encouraged! Either way, the type training is done, very successfully as
well!
Thanks for all the help!
Chad C-GYXQ
Photo below is after 20 landings and five hours of flight time. She LOVED it almost
as much as me!
Here is the second flight quick video.
http://youtu.be/4r4VVXhYZuI
Ps..... It is for sale. $35,500 cad. Not sure ill have the time to fly as much
as I'd like this year. Three kids and one is a newborn. I'm a busy guy.... :-(
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C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
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| Subject: | Re: New to aircraft, flying tips needed. 601XL-B |
I put VGs on the elevator of my 601 HDS and that stopped the thumping of the nose.
I can hold the nose off as long as I like now.
Nice airplane.
Regards,
Damien
Sent from my iPad
On May 22, 2013, at 8:41 PM, "SIDESLIP" <Chad2007@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Well all...... Here is my update!
>
> Flew the airplane this weekend past with a 30 plus year , 25,000 hour pilot!
It was my only option, as even Zenair didn't have anyone they could reccomend.
So, we just went at it. First flight was scary, as we had a BRUTAL propellor
vibration and had to get her back on solid ground. We could only muster 4800 rpm!
It still climbed 700/min. Changed the prop, hub and spinner from the GSC wooden,
set pitch to 14 degrees and went at it again! WOW!!! Climbed 1300'/min
at just shy of gross, with a cruise at 5100 rpm of 105kts! Open it to 5200 and
I see 110kts all day. Fuel burn was amazing, and all worked well. Oil temps creeped
a bit, and I think they'll give me some issues. Any idea if a tab of aluminum
under the cowl will help like on the 701's? My cooler is fed by two naca
openings. I just don't think the cowl is venting properly. CHT's are great though.
>
> So, onto the flight review. We flew 5 hours which is what the insurance co wanted.
I flew the first half in the right seat with no brakes, radio access to
tower and a crappy T-Bar throttle. I made my first 7 landings there! Not a problem
at all. Only two issues we found was that it shoots off the runway abruptly,
which I'm thinking is too late of rotation. 65kts or so. The second issue
was the landings. No matter how hard I try to hold the nose off, it still THUMPS
down HARD! Flapless landings went better then expected, as long as you slow
the airplane WELL in advance! It refuses to slow down actually! Lol
>
> I performed the balance from the left seat, and was at home there! I flew the
airplane completely unassisted the first time, and needed no help in doing so.
What a beautiful airplane!!! Killer climb, GREAT cruise..... I'm not touching
a THING! Seems set up PERFECT! I don't even run out of trim like everyone else
on final with full flaps. It CAN be tricky in the flare solo, wanting to float
for days, but almost ALL of my landings were still inside 400'. I LOVE LOVE
LOVE LOVE the airplane! However, I am still a little nervous because of all
the bad press the airplane has had over the years. But, if it doesn't try to kill
me, and the engine runs as well as it does, I'm IN LOVE! MAN! What a plane!
>
> Now...... If I could figure out how to get that nose wheel lowered without the
thump...... It would be perfect. Total weekend, 5 hours, decent conditions,
breathtaking climb rate, and I'm MORE then content with 100kts getting 3.7 gal/hr
burn! Just..... What. A. Ride! I went for a solo flight, and didn't really
notice the missing 150lb instructor. Same climb, same cruise, but floated on
landings much more. I love that Rotax 912ULS. I'VE got the airbox, so I'm sure
that helps with power. One MAJOR thing I noticed is how on a takeoff, application
of power was unreal! Really pushes you back in the seat on take off and climb
out.
>
> Feedback encouraged! Either way, the type training is done, very successfully
as well!
>
> Thanks for all the help!
>
> Chad C-GYXQ
> Photo below is after 20 landings and five hours of flight time. She LOVED it
almost as much as me!
>
> Here is the second flight quick video.
>
> http://youtu.be/4r4VVXhYZuI
>
>
> Ps..... It is for sale. $35,500 cad. Not sure ill have the time to fly as much
as I'd like this year. Three kids and one is a newborn. I'm a busy guy.... :-(
>
> --------
> C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401157#401157
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_164.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: New to aircraft, flying tips needed. 601XL-B |
I should have said that I installed the VGs on the horizontal stabilizer, not the
elevator.
Regards,
Damien
N48TK
601 HDS with Rotax 912 UL
Sent from my iPad
On May 22, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Damien Graham <dgraham7@TWCNY.RR.COM> wrote:
>
> I put VGs on the elevator of my 601 HDS and that stopped the thumping of the
nose. I can hold the nose off as long as I like now.
> Nice airplane.
> Regards,
> Damien
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 22, 2013, at 8:41 PM, "SIDESLIP" <Chad2007@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well all...... Here is my update!
>>
>> Flew the airplane this weekend past with a 30 plus year , 25,000 hour pilot!
It was my only option, as even Zenair didn't have anyone they could reccomend.
So, we just went at it. First flight was scary, as we had a BRUTAL propellor
vibration and had to get her back on solid ground. We could only muster 4800
rpm! It still climbed 700/min. Changed the prop, hub and spinner from the GSC
wooden, set pitch to 14 degrees and went at it again! WOW!!! Climbed 1300'/min
at just shy of gross, with a cruise at 5100 rpm of 105kts! Open it to 5200 and
I see 110kts all day. Fuel burn was amazing, and all worked well. Oil temps
creeped a bit, and I think they'll give me some issues. Any idea if a tab of aluminum
under the cowl will help like on the 701's? My cooler is fed by two naca
openings. I just don't think the cowl is venting properly. CHT's are great
though.
>>
>> So, onto the flight review. We flew 5 hours which is what the insurance co wanted.
I flew the first half in the right seat with no brakes, radio access to
tower and a crappy T-Bar throttle. I made my first 7 landings there! Not a problem
at all. Only two issues we found was that it shoots off the runway abruptly,
which I'm thinking is too late of rotation. 65kts or so. The second issue
was the landings. No matter how hard I try to hold the nose off, it still THUMPS
down HARD! Flapless landings went better then expected, as long as you slow
the airplane WELL in advance! It refuses to slow down actually! Lol
>>
>> I performed the balance from the left seat, and was at home there! I flew the
airplane completely unassisted the first time, and needed no help in doing so.
What a beautiful airplane!!! Killer climb, GREAT cruise..... I'm not touching
a THING! Seems set up PERFECT! I don't even run out of trim like everyone else
on final with full flaps. It CAN be tricky in the flare solo, wanting to float
for days, but almost ALL of my landings were still inside 400'. I LOVE LOVE
LOVE LOVE the airplane! However, I am still a little nervous because of all
the bad press the airplane has had over the years. But, if it doesn't try to
kill me, and the engine runs as well as it does, I'm IN LOVE! MAN! What a plane!
>>
>> Now...... If I could figure out how to get that nose wheel lowered without the
thump...... It would be perfect. Total weekend, 5 hours, decent conditions,
breathtaking climb rate, and I'm MORE then content with 100kts getting 3.7 gal/hr
burn! Just..... What. A. Ride! I went for a solo flight, and didn't really
notice the missing 150lb instructor. Same climb, same cruise, but floated on
landings much more. I love that Rotax 912ULS. I'VE got the airbox, so I'm sure
that helps with power. One MAJOR thing I noticed is how on a takeoff, application
of power was unreal! Really pushes you back in the seat on take off and
climb out.
>>
>> Feedback encouraged! Either way, the type training is done, very successfully
as well!
>>
>> Thanks for all the help!
>>
>> Chad C-GYXQ
>> Photo below is after 20 landings and five hours of flight time. She LOVED it
almost as much as me!
>>
>> Here is the second flight quick video.
>>
>> http://youtu.be/4r4VVXhYZuI
>>
>>
>> Ps..... It is for sale. $35,500 cad. Not sure ill have the time to fly as much
as I'd like this year. Three kids and one is a newborn. I'm a busy guy....
:-(
>>
>> --------
>> C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401157#401157
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_164.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: New to aircraft, flying tips needed. 601XL-B |
Hi Chad,
I'm far from an expert after around 50 hours in my XL. Still, I will
try to answer a few of your questions.
On take-off it sounds like you are waiting too long to rotate. If you
take off with no flaps your stall speed must be no more than 45 knots.
If you use flaps (like I do) it is even less. You might try rotating
shortly after you start your take-off roll and let the plane decide when
to fly. I've found 1/2 flaps to be ideal for take-off. Full flap
take-off works but the airspeed isn't enough for good control in the
first stage of flight. I've never measured my take off roll but I would
guess it is between 200 and 300 feet. Of course your take-off roll will
be longer due to your smaller engine - I have a Jabiru 3300.
On the landing issue - it sounds like you are not slowing down enough on
your final approach. I try to approach around 60 knots but that is
probably too fast as well. Ideal approach speed should be 1.3 times
your stall speed in your current configuration. Excess float on landing
can be fixed with flaps and slower approach speeds.
When you get close to the final landing altitude you should adjust your
pitch to your desired landing pitch (this is called flaring). If your
pitch has the nose just above the runway on touchdown it seems unlikely
the nose will crash down. If you touch down with the nose wheel very
high then it can fall and hit the runway harder.
Have fun,
Paul
Camas, WA
On 5/22/2013 5:41 PM, SIDESLIP wrote:
>
> Well all...... Here is my update!
>
> Flew the airplane this weekend past with a 30 plus year , 25,000 hour pilot!
It was my only option, as even Zenair didn't have anyone they could reccomend.
So, we just went at it. First flight was scary, as we had a BRUTAL propellor
vibration and had to get her back on solid ground. We could only muster 4800 rpm!
It still climbed 700/min. Changed the prop, hub and spinner from the GSC wooden,
set pitch to 14 degrees and went at it again! WOW!!! Climbed 1300'/min
at just shy of gross, with a cruise at 5100 rpm of 105kts! Open it to 5200 and
I see 110kts all day. Fuel burn was amazing, and all worked well. Oil temps creeped
a bit, and I think they'll give me some issues. Any idea if a tab of aluminum
under the cowl will help like on the 701's? My cooler is fed by two naca
openings. I just don't think the cowl is venting properly. CHT's are great though.
>
> So, onto the flight review. We flew 5 hours which is what the insurance co wanted.
I flew the first half in the right seat with no brakes, radio access to
tower and a crappy T-Bar throttle. I made my first 7 landings there! Not a problem
at all. Only two issues we found was that it shoots off the runway abruptly,
which I'm thinking is too late of rotation. 65kts or so. The second issue
was the landings. No matter how hard I try to hold the nose off, it still THUMPS
down HARD! Flapless landings went better then expected, as long as you slow
the airplane WELL in advance! It refuses to slow down actually! Lol
>
> I performed the balance from the left seat, and was at home there! I flew the
airplane completely unassisted the first time, and needed no help in doing so.
What a beautiful airplane!!! Killer climb, GREAT cruise..... I'm not touching
a THING! Seems set up PERFECT! I don't even run out of trim like everyone else
on final with full flaps. It CAN be tricky in the flare solo, wanting to float
for days, but almost ALL of my landings were still inside 400'. I LOVE LOVE
LOVE LOVE the airplane! However, I am still a little nervous because of all
the bad press the airplane has had over the years. But, if it doesn't try to kill
me, and the engine runs as well as it does, I'm IN LOVE! MAN! What a plane!
>
> Now...... If I could figure out how to get that nose wheel lowered without the
thump...... It would be perfect. Total weekend, 5 hours, decent conditions,
breathtaking climb rate, and I'm MORE then content with 100kts getting 3.7 gal/hr
burn! Just..... What. A. Ride! I went for a solo flight, and didn't really
notice the missing 150lb instructor. Same climb, same cruise, but floated on
landings much more. I love that Rotax 912ULS. I'VE got the airbox, so I'm sure
that helps with power. One MAJOR thing I noticed is how on a takeoff, application
of power was unreal! Really pushes you back in the seat on take off and climb
out.
>
> Feedback encouraged! Either way, the type training is done, very successfully
as well!
>
> Thanks for all the help!
>
> Chad C-GYXQ
> Photo below is after 20 landings and five hours of flight time. She LOVED it
almost as much as me!
>
> Here is the second flight quick video.
>
> http://youtu.be/4r4VVXhYZuI
>
>
> Ps..... It is for sale. $35,500 cad. Not sure ill have the time to fly as much
as I'd like this year. Three kids and one is a newborn. I'm a busy guy.... :-(
>
> --------
> C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401157#401157
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_164.jpg
>
>
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