---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/27/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:52 AM - G - Loads (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 2. 11:59 AM - Re: G - Loads (Bryan Martin) 3. 01:18 PM - Re: G - Loads (Jeff) 4. 04:25 PM - Re: G - Loads (Bryan Martin) 5. 06:28 PM - Re: G - Loads (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:23 AM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith601-List: G - Loads Guys, I went to pushrods on the ailerons and have the stops on my flaps. I have not used flaps since the only stop on the screw jack is a $10 micro switch ( I have the older flap actuator ). If that Micro switch fails the power developed by the actuator would twist the rear spar without hesitation. Also I read some where that the G-Loads drop to 2.0 when flaps are deployed. In Florida we can get wind shear or thermals greater than 2.0. Just a thought Bobby ( age 74 ) Zodiac 601 XL "B" Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop Bing Carb 260 Main & 285 Needle Jet Status - Flying 181 hrs. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: G - Loads From: Bryan Martin I have never heard of the maximum G load being reduced because of flap deployment on this or any other airplane. The maximum speed is reduced, but not the maximum G loading. The current draw of the flap motor increases significantly when it hits a hard stop. Just install a fuse that will blow when this happens and it will prevent any damage. I have never had a single issue with those micro-switches in nearly nine years and 300 hours of flight time in my plane. On May 27, 2013, at 1:51 PM, BobbyPaulk@comcast.net wrote: > Guys, > I went to pushrods on the ailerons and have the stops on my flaps. > I have not used flaps since the only stop on the screw jack is a $10 micro switch ( I have the older flap actuator ). If that Micro switch fails the power developed by the actuator would twist the rear spar without hesitation. Also I read some where that the G-Loads drop to 2.0 when flaps are deployed. In Florida we can get wind shear or thermals greater than 2.0. > > Just a thought > > Bobby ( age 74 ) > Zodiac 601 XL "B" > Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 > Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop > Bing Carb 260 Main & 285 Needle Jet > Status - Flying 181 hrs. > > Do Not Archive -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:32 PM PST US From: Jeff Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: G - Loads When the flaps go down, the G load limit goes down on every airplane that I've ever flown,,,and that's a bunch of airplanes. J. Webb ATP,CFI,CFII,MEI, General Aviation Enthusiast! Sent from my iPad On May 27, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Martin wrote: > > I have never heard of the maximum G load being reduced because of flap deployment on this or any other airplane. The maximum speed is reduced, but not the maximum G loading. > > The current draw of the flap motor increases significantly when it hits a hard stop. Just install a fuse that will blow when this happens and it will prevent any damage. I have never had a single issue with those micro-switches in nearly nine years and 300 hours of flight time in my plane. > > On May 27, 2013, at 1:51 PM, BobbyPaulk@comcast.net wrote: > >> Guys, >> I went to pushrods on the ailerons and have the stops on my flaps. >> I have not used flaps since the only stop on the screw jack is a $10 micro switch ( I have the older flap actuator ). If that Micro switch fails the power developed by the actuator would twist the rear spar without hesitation. Also I read some where that the G-Loads drop to 2.0 when flaps are deployed. In Florida we can get wind shear or thermals greater than 2.0. >> >> Just a thought >> >> Bobby ( age 74 ) >> Zodiac 601 XL "B" >> Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 >> Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop >> Bing Carb 260 Main & 285 Needle Jet >> Status - Flying 181 hrs. >> >> Do Not Archive > > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive. > do not archive. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: G - Loads From: Bryan Martin After further research I find that the G load limits of most aircraft do decrease with flap deployment, but that doesn't make the use of flaps during landing a bad idea under most circumstances. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive. On May 27, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Jeff wrote: > > When the flaps go down, the G load limit goes down on every airplane that I've ever flown,,,and that's a bunch of airplanes. > > J. Webb > ATP,CFI,CFII,MEI, General Aviation Enthusiast! > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 27, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Martin wrote: > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:43 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: G - Loads My understanding is full flaps should be used on landings unless the weather conditions include high and or gusty winds. In that case many planes should be landed with no flaps. The question of how high is high can be answered by the stall speed of the plane in question. I can't give a formula for this decision, but higher stall speed means higher immunity to gusty air situations. This does relate directly with wing loading. I just read someplace that even airliners with their incredibly high wing loading and stall speeds will not fly if the winds are over 50 knots. (Just as an approximation: Light Sport Airplanes like the CH601XL have wing loading around 10 pounds per square foot; most general aviation planes with reciprocating engines have wing loading from 15 to perhaps 25 or 30 p/sf; jet fighters typically run around 50 p/sf; jet airliners usually have upward of 100 p/sf.) Paul Camas, WA On 5/27/2013 4:25 PM, Bryan Martin wrote: > > After further research I find that the G load limits of most aircraft do decrease with flap deployment, but that doesn't make the use of flaps during landing a bad idea under most circumstances. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith601-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith601-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith601-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith601-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.