---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith640-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/03/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:43 AM - November List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:01 AM - 640 Resurgance! and US Customs (pilot4pay) 2. 07:58 AM - Re: 640 Resurgance! and US Customs (Carlos Sa) 3. 08:06 AM - Re: 640 Resurgance! and US Customs (Doug Geese) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:12 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith640-List: November List Fund Raiser A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. 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If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith640-List: 640 Resurgance! and US Customs From: "pilot4pay" I just got back from Zenair in Canada, picking up my wings kit. just as I was about to pull out, Matthiew Heinz tapped on my window and offered a quick look around. He showed me 2 640 fuselages, and wings for quick build kits in progress. He said that in Europe, there is growing interest in the 640. This is good news, as that is motivation for the company to pay attention to continued support and development of the design. Took some quick pics, but had to skedaddle, as I had a long drive ahead. The real problems occurred when trying to come back across the border. What no one tells you is that while you may save the crating and shipping charges by picking up at the factory, US customs will give you a hard time. Any materials/parts you bring with a combined value of more than $2500, requires that you hire a customs broker, have commercial paperwork, and documentation to certify Canadian origin of all parts down to the nuts and bolts, in spite of the so-called free trade agreement. Also, you cannot just drive through the normal customs lines, you will have to go through the commercial trucking gates. After nearly 2 hours of waiting and answering stupid questions, I got sent over the the commercial gates, and finally encountered an agent with common sense, and no ego that needed to prove how powerful the badge and gun are, he explained what the issues were (who knew?, unless you have ESP), and said it was obvious I was a private individual, not a commercial venture, so he would cut me a brake. He said that they could have sent me back into Canada, and worse. I don't know what customs brokers charge, but it would have been nice for Zenair to give me a heads up. They ship across the border all the time, and could have mentioned the potential problems, as I had informed them when I placed the order that I was going to pick them up myself. Live and learn. Final note, if you get the new CAD drawings, included is a new updated construction CD. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" --George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270759#270759 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith640-List: 640 Resurgance! and US Customs From: Carlos Sa Craig, my experience with custom brokers is limited to what I am charged the few times the sender insists on using UPS for shipping. In this case, the charges amount to one arm and a leg, sometimes both legs. It can add 50% to 80% of the original merchandise cost. Note that this in the opposite sense you described (i.e., US to Canada). There might be easier and cheaper ways for you to bring the kit home, perhaps it's a matter of investigating ahead of time. Cheers Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada 2009/11/3 pilot4pay > pilot4profit@sbcglobal.net> > > I just got back from Zenair in Canada, picking up my wings kit. > ... > I don't know what customs brokers charge, but it would have been nice for > Zenair to give me a heads up. They ship across the border all the time, and > could have mentioned the potential problems, as I had informed them when I > placed the order that I was going to pick them up myself. Live and learn. > Final note, if you get the new CAD drawings, included is a new updated > construction CD. > > -------- > Craig Smith > CH640 builder > SN: 0078 > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:16 AM PST US From: Doug Geese Subject: RE: Zenith640-List: 640 Resurgance! and US Customs I had the same experience with customs while picking up my wing kit. On th e fuselage I had a private shipper arranged by Zenith deliver it. This was essentially an older gentleman with a truck and trailer. He backed it rig ht into my garage, unloaded and was gone. I think it was about $350 for sh ipping (1000 mile roundtrip). Much easier! Doug From: owner-zenith640-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith640-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Zenith640-List: 640 Resurgance! and US Customs Craig, my experience with custom brokers is limited to what I am charged th e few times the sender insists on using UPS for shipping. In this case, the charges amount to one arm and a leg, sometimes both legs. It can add 50% to 80% of the original merchandise cost. Note that this in the opposite sense you described (i.e., US to Canada). There might be easier and cheaper ways for you to bring the kit home, perha ps it's a matter of investigating ahead of time. Cheers Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada 2009/11/3 pilot4pay > et> I just got back from Zenair in Canada, picking up my wings kit. ... I don't know what customs brokers charge, but it would have been nice for Z enair to give me a heads up. They ship across the border all the time, and could have mentioned the potential problems, as I had informed them when I placed the order that I was going to pick them up myself. Live and learn. Final note, if you get the new CAD drawings, included is a new updated cons truction CD. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 rsbooks.com> m> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith640-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith640-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith640-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith640-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.